I feel bad for Rush

oddjob · Oct 13, 2003

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Hey, I was out for a week, I didnt know Rush confessed. I stand with Ray. Thanks for your insight. I dont like to take medicine, not even for a headache. I have siatic syndrom (From right heel up to hip)from a weight lifting accident-since 84. Then it was carpal tunnel in both hands(had surgury on right hand at 23. I've used a chiropractor for 14 years now. 4 years ago I was on my back unable to move for 4 weeks. Walked with a limp for about two months. My right calf is smaller than the left as a result. Recently it was my left shoulder. My left triceps/bicep is smaller and much weaker. I'm coming back, couldnt do pushups for awhile. Anyway my point is: No one knows another mans pain, or their thereshhold of pain. In my experience, My pains have come and gone, with some remaining but managable by exercise and chiropratic adjustment. I know that charley horse feeling where all of the muscles of the body pull like a guitar string 4 weeks was enough for a lifetime. I used to exercise to build my body, now I do it to keep my body in continous repair. Flathead, sorry about your household. But I think your statement "Rush is no longer in pain" is bullsh!t unless you mean, because hes medicated? I bet you know because of an unnamed source right...

Hey, neumans and skinney! no bogarting!

ps: While on my back I took illegal painkillers for two days until I could get my family Dr. to prescibe me pain medicine without an office visit(left-over prescription from wife). Now all you bashers have some more meat for your feeding frenzy.... When ever I attempt to make a point ( like Rush ) you can say: oddjobs a lying no good druggie.. He11, he even admits it! Who is he to judge or talk? **** , Right-winger!

Take the liberal road, its easy, just follow the media.

FLATHEAD · Oct 13, 2003

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I give up! Oddjob and the rest, If you want to think Rush was taking up to 30 pills a day (as was reported on national news) just to kill pain so be it. There is a huge difference between killing pain and totally abusing drugs. If you cant see it I feel for ya. We all have aches and pains so I figure we should all be able to have our excuse to abuse drugs. All addicts have an excuse,, that is what makes it all alright in there minds. Just a thought!! Had this been someone like say,,, Bill Clinton what kind of spin would your buddy Rush put on it??? I am done here beating my head against the wall. I guess Rush must be different from the rest of society. I have to laugh that you are diluted enough to think this is only about pain.

KennyKenCan · Oct 13, 2003

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If Rush was buying illegal drugs on the black-market, then it is just undeniably wrong, and he should be prosecuted, just as a crack dealer is prosecuted. Sorry guy's, Rush is not above the law! If he needed pain killers, then he should have gone to his doctor. This is not new abuse, he even said that he's been doing it for years. Sorry, no excuses. Kenny

Ralph 123 · Oct 13, 2003

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Flathead - if he was abusing you are correct. I am not sure the evidence is there. The "30 a day" national media is the National Enquirer who broke the stroy and have been the only source of information not provided by Rush himself. They are not always accurate. I would think 30 a day would kill a human being but who knows. I'll wait until more info comes out. Can you recognize the possibility that he could be in real pain and driven underground due to the medical communities unwillingness to treat him properly? Say he was taking 2 a day, or even 4 a day, would that change your thinking? Can you acknowledge that there are people out there with a legitimate medical need? PS - the housekeeper served 5 years for cocaine dealing so for now I treat anything she says as suspect

Ralph 123 · Oct 13, 2003

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I know you guys don't want to believe it but it is the honest truth and is sort of backed up by Catfish's statement: Doctors will not write long term pain relief scripts unless you are about to die. Why? The DEA and lawyers. They fear having their licenses yanked. For a guy like Rush it is even worse because he is a celeb. No doc wants a celeb on a controlled substances with their name on the script. That's the quickets way to lose their license to practice. As a result, people with non-terminal, severe pain go untreated or are driven underground. If you care to, you can go to the Fox News website and try to find the transcript of the "House Call" segments over the last week or so and look for the Fox News' medical experts comments on the subject. In short, he said, pain medication is under prescribed in this country and that in his opinion there are a lot of people suffering needlessly. He went on to say that there is no nobility in suffering. What he failed to get into is why they are under perscribed. If as the facts come out, it is shown that Rush was in no pain and was taking these for kicks, I want him strung up by his thimbs and horse whipped to within inches of his life so he feels the pain of all the people who will now go untreated becuase Doctors will be even more reluctant to provide proper medical treatment out of fear

pjc · Oct 13, 2003

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----------ya know, this IS the Billy Clinton administrations fault------------------

Carphunter · Oct 13, 2003

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Guess i'll chime in. What are the requirements to be considered an addict? My Dad has had numerous strokes. A section of his brain, (about the size of a quarter), was severely damaged during one of his strokes. The left side of his body is in constant pain. He craves and needs his pain medication. Doctors have told him that surgery probably would not help his pain. He has trouble getting his prescriptions refilled because the doctors think he will become an addict. How much pain is he really in, I dont know. Does he need his medication to control his pain, yes. If it took 30 pills a day to control his pain, should the doctors prescribe it for him, yes. So who is really able to judge how much pain Rush is in? Nobody here, thats for sure. If he thinks he has a problem, then he probably does. Could my Dad be considered an addict, probably, but thats ok. If thats what it takes to control his pain, then what wrong with it. You gotta do what you gotta do to continue living. Some people, like my father, need this medication to live a somewhat normal life, its just a shame he has to fight the Doctors everytime he needs a refill.

Ralph 123 · Oct 13, 2003

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He has trouble getting his prescriptions refilled because the doctors think he will become an addict. How much pain is he really in, I dont know. Does he need his medication to control his pain, yes. Some people, like my father, need this medication to live a somewhat normal life, its just a shame he has to fight the Doctors everytime he needs a refill.

Thanks for jumping in Carp. This is exactly what I have been saying. This sort of things happens way too much in this country.

Ralph 123 · Oct 13, 2003

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Lawyers are running ads on Fox News right this second saying "if you were prescribed oxycontin and suffered OD or addiction call the Law offices of James Sokolove"

pjc · Oct 13, 2003

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---------just kidding 'bout the Clinton thing----

KennyKenCan · Oct 13, 2003

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Yeah Carphunter, I feel for your Dad's pain, but he is arguing with his doctors for the medication, not a street pusher, which makes his need, a probable cause for addiction that is being monitored by physicians, which should be tolorated. But buying pain killing drugs on the street is the same as buying crack cocaine on the street, and there is no excuse! It is illegal and should remain that way! Sorry, Rush is wrong and should have his day in court! Just my .02 cents. Kenny

Ralph 123 · Oct 13, 2003

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Kenny, What should Carp's dad do when the doc will no longer write the script out of fear? Should he just suffer? Just curious. Maybe he can go to Cabada, Mexio, South America, or Europe where these fear issues don't exist... Ort maybe he'll decide to take care of it here himself. What do you think the results of these lawyer ads on Fox will be on Docs?

KennyKenCan · Oct 13, 2003

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Hey Ralph, I really don't have an answer. How about trying another doctor, I don't know! But, buying any kind of painkiller off the street is illegal in this country for obvious reasons and it should remain that way. Had Bill and Hillary Clinton fulfilled their campaign promises of national health care, instead of their personnel agendas, maybe we would not be having this discusion. I'm pretty sure that when PW chimes in here, he'll say its Bush's fault. Kenny

SoulWinner · Oct 13, 2003

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Last year a doctor here in Milton was sentenced to 14 years (I think) in prison because a few of his patients overdosed on oxi and died. From the pre-trial investigation, several other doctors in town came under fire for thier prescriptions for this and one or two other drugs, and a couple of doctors were named in the local news as being under criminal investigation. Now yo can't get a scrip for anything stronger than 800mg ibuprofin. That is what happens in a culture that has become dependant on laws protecting people from themselves.

SS MAYFLOAT · Oct 13, 2003

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Awhile back, FOX 8 news did a report on the street use of oxycontin. Apparently street users will scrape off the coating that works as a time release agent. Once the time release is removed is when the drug is at it most powerful state. This is why the drug abusers persue this drug. I can't say that I am sorry for saying that there is nothing wrong with an addict. I can say it wrong to be an abuser. There is people addicted to cigaretts, Pepsi, Coke, chocolate, food, and many other things. It is all what the person feels satisfied with. My wife could be classified as an addict. She needs a hip replacement, but 3 different doctors said she is too young. They have prescibed darvacet for her. She only takes them when her hip is causing her pain. Doctor said that as long as the pain meds keep her hip in check until she is in her mid to late 50's is when they will consider the hip replacement. To me they should go ahead and do the replacement so she won't be in pain, but they say regaurdless of the replacement or not, she is still going to be in pain. So right now she will be looking for about another 10 years on pain meds. Now does she need to suffer because others feel that she doesn't need them? Her hip locks up, pops and snaps that you can hear from 20' away. If Rush was abusing the drug in the way a street abuser would, then yes he deserves to be spending his day in court. If he was using it as prescribed to deal with pain due to his back, then get off of his back reguardless if you like him or not. If the truth be known, there probably is more well known public officials that have the same problem. They just haven't been caught or ratted on. It could be your boss! and you wouldn't even know it.

andy h · Oct 14, 2003

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"Just a thought!! Had this been someone like say,,, Bill Clinton what kind of spin would your buddy Rush put on it???" Ding Ding Ding, I think we have a winner!!!! I just spent 15 minutes readig this, and all I can say is, you have to be friggen kidding me right? I mean this whole post has to be a joke right? I was joking with some coworkers when the story was broke on the Howard Stern show by the editor of the enquirer. I said this will turn out to be everybody's fault but limbaughs. I was JOKING now I read this and I hear people blaming the doctors.

Sorry I can't even finish this because it just bothers me so much and I know you dittos will never stop even if what you are saying is the biggest pile of BS I have ever heard. The saddest part is most of the republican views I agree with. It's just there delivery men on fox news and rush and are 15 local republican radio host. For some reason they just come accross as the most arrogant a55 holes I have ever heard. They always have that little smirk on there face and that tone in there voice like they have all the right answers and they are better than everyone else. A little side story our big republican radio host in rochester Ny just got fired for calling are mayor (a black man) a monkey while circus music was playing in the background. He got fired, but guess who he and the other republicans blamed................... Do I even have to finish this thread.

oddjob · Oct 14, 2003

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andy,

For some reason they just come accross as the most arrogant a55 holes I have ever heard. They always have that little smirk on there face and that tone in there voice like they have all the right answers and they are better than everyone else.

You just descibed the lib media and most liberal polititions in my book. The difference is they lie and Rush points it out with tape, print and photo. And he has a good time doing it. If this were Clinton the real spin would be......if the story were to break...ah....wait a minute...his medical records were not open to the pubic....unlike other presidents past and present. How about, "I was told I was taking Viagra".

Or "I didnt inhale"....yea I bet media and pundits would by it...yea!

PS: That guy should have called him a jackazz, after all he is a democrat.

Ralph 123 · Oct 14, 2003

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Regardless of your political persuaion, and putting Rush (of whom I AM NOT a fan) aside for a minute there is a bigger issue here as pointed out by some of us with first hand experience. The problem was created by RONALD REAGAN and continues until this day. The problem is the drug war in the country affects medical treatment (or non treatment) in this country. As a result, sick people suffer. In addition, the problem is made worse by our tort laws. They too are affecting medical treatment. These two things taken together are causing sick people to suffer. Whether Rush is a victim of this or just a junkie remains to be seen. However, please don't lose sight of this issue. Sooner or later odds are it is going to affect you or a loved one. The sad truth is this problem is now going to get worse becuase of Rush. The lawyers are already running ads on TV. For me, this is really what this is all about. I could care less about Rush per se. Not everything is a right vs left issue. Not all pain is the same. Not all sick people heal. Not all people dependent on pain medication are junkies or taking them for kicks. Some sick people are being forced underground or over the boarders to seek help. It is a disgrace and an abomination. Unfortunatly, based on the public's perception, as expemplified in this thread, it is not going to get any better any time soon unless some powerful people in this country stand up and address it. In this thread I admit to projecting my experiences onto Rush w/o any real evidence that his situation fits the larger problem. That was wrong of me. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part. I am hoping it does and when he is back, he will address the larger issue and educate his 20 - 30 million fans. Unless somebody powerful tackles this issue things are not going to get any better. This is one issue I feel pasionately about due to my first hand experiences. I will never forget nor foregive the medical community for letting my Grandfather sepend years in severe pain and die in agony at 91. Never. I will never forgive them for letting Cluster sufferers committ suicide becuase they are afraid to prescribe pain relief to them. Never, ever, ever, F'in ever!

oddjob · Oct 14, 2003

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Ralph, please explain your point about Ronny and the drug war...the cause and affect..spell it out like Rush does

and I'll listen. I work for a large medical co. Working under increasing FDA regulation is also driving up the cost to research, design and produce medicine and medical devices. When a breakthru lifesaving drug comes along the same gov that had you jump thru hoops to develop it now demands price controls so everyone on the planet can get it. This is an area difficult to be conservative, because the money doesnt add up and if I or anyone points it out they will be tarred and feathered by the dems and the media. Medical Co,s are in business to to make money. Making money and the ability to make alot of money is what modivates investers and co.s to create and compete to do better. Alot of invested money goes into finding the gold only to have the gov/dems appropriate the profits to the customers. Dems and Reps are now both using healthcare to buy votes. Promising to lower it or give it away free.......Guess what Ralph?..thats the opposite of capitalism....

If the gov stands in the way for the emotional sake of the peoples lives.... the "world leading US medical industry will die. And then even the few people who could can afford to help themselves wont be able to as well. Just a thought.

samagee · Oct 14, 2003

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Well I feel the drug wars should continue and step up. However, I think the US needs to become more mature about medications. As well as the subject of sex for that matter. I like Rush to a point. I don't like the fact that he delt with drug dealers. This is a major character flaw to me. I like to kick drug dealers around when I get the chance. Even if it is just calling the police to inform them of a deal going down. When I was a kid I use to hide my mom's prescription pain killers. Why? Because everytime she OD'd, we ended up back in a foster home somewhere. She got started on them after a car accident. When she was diagnosed with Diabetes, her excuses came easier. When the diabetes started killing her internal organs, she had more excuses for the pain meds. They finally killed her right before her 50th birthday. I have had perscription drugs after my surgery for a deviated septum. I took them the day of the surgery, then switched to tylenol the next day when I needed something. Other than that, I would rather feel the discomfort. Two days after the surgery I wasn't using any pain meds. When I broke my hand this summer. I used Ibuprofin for the swelling once I had a cast on, because otherwise it would throb and I couldn't sleep at night. However, I only took them at night. I didn't take anything when they reset my hand putting the cast on either. I grinned and bared it. I even told the doc that he was turning me on, so that would ease the tension with some fun and games. I am not judging anyone, not everyone is the same. However, I do not agree with someone going to a drug dealer for their meds. I think the country needs to grow up and stop taking extreme measures when dealing with things, and actually look for a middle ground on the issue that works for as many as possible. For some reason they think they can pass a law and the issue is dealt with. These things can not be handled that way. Each case is different, and if the community was really concerned they would fund this type of supervision. That's about all I am going say on this I think. Other than the media once again has shown that they all need to be taken out and shot.

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