I feel bad for Rush

[SCO]

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wrt the drug war, I think it gos back all the way to Nixon. Thats how long we havn't been able to get a handle on that problem.<br />Edit: I heard since posting that drug use has gone down 50% since '79. Maybe we have gotten some handle on the problem.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Ok, here's your data straight from the Government itself!<br /><br />1984 Amendment to the Controlled Substances Act<br />Legislation passed in 1984 addressed many of the problems that had emerged since passage of the CSA in 1970. The most important amendment was the inclusion of a "public interest revocation" provision. This amendment provided additional authority for the denial or revocation of a practitioner controlled substance registration based on a demonstration that such registration was contrary to the public interest.<br /><br />[In other words, we can pull your GD license any GD time we want]<br /><br />the DEA needed the tools to eliminate a source of diversion without solely relying on a state regulatory action or having to go through a lengthy and labor intensive criminal prosecution. <br /><br />[And we can do it w/o due process!]<br /><br />After the Public Interest Revocation (PIR) program was initiated, revocations and surrenders rose from less than 100 per year, prior to PIR authority, to more than 400 per year. <br /><br />[see we told ya! Now stop dispensing pain killers]<br /><br />Subsequently, by 1989, DAWN emergency room mentions for prescription drugs had dropped to 33 percent of total mentions for all controlled substances.<br /><br />[Doctors stopped prescribing help!]<br /><br />etc, etc, etc<br /><br />Anybody want to make the case that all those emergency room pain relief prescriptions were unnecessary?

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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So what I gather here is that script drugs that are on the street came form a doctor? And the DEA has the power to have his license revolked for this? Sounds smart to me. But what if the doctor was bamboozled by a phony dealer with a pain problem?<br /><br />I feel for Rush, he had the right to use them as per his doc, but he stepped over the line buying them off the street.....SS

 

[neumanns]

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Ralph, Do you mean to tell me that all this time your referances to not being able to get prescriptions due to doctors are afraid to lose there license is based on PIR Public Intrest Revocation?<br /><br />The physcians who lose the right to write scripts under this bill is based on protecting the public from the abuse of there privilages not on writing them for legit purposes and not for any GD reason as you call it.<br /><br />You have also referanced suicide as a problem associated with a condition that is toufgh to get get scripts for. Based on your last post it would appear that you are referancing Cluster headaches. Cluster headaches can be baffeling to the medical community and the pain can be debilatating no doubt and the sufferers have been known to take there life. However........<br /><br />I know this is going to be a hot post and I dont know how to broach the subject gently enoufgh to avoid fearsum controversy, However I feel there needs to be an injection of realitivity to help make a mild comparison.<br /><br />Every year people also commit suicide due to Bankrupcy, Heartbreak, Etc. It is truly unfortunate however these suicides may be connected to these events they are more closly related to poor coping skills. <br /><br />If someone takes there life while under the influance of "clusters" it may not be such a streach to say that they were due as much to the poor coping skills as the clusters. Keep in mind that I do not have first hand knowledge of the pain of clusters nor do I have firsthand expierence of Suicide but, People often endure and overcome circumstances worse than others who have committed suicide. The way someone reacts to a situation is how they cope. Perhaps, as important as pain scripts for chronic pain suffers would be some counciling in pain coping skills.<br /><br />This is not a personal attack but rather my take, I have been knowan to be wrong before but am entiteled to my opinion as you are to yours. <br /><br />Wow this post has come a long way from feeling sorry for rush hasn't it? Kinda around the horn and headed on a diffrent compass bearing so to speak.

 

[pjc]

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i been following this thread with mild interest---another celeb in the lime light and getting beat up--sensational news for a media starved for a "story" to bolster their existance--(media-self serving pos--in all forms we as a public are exposed to the .....slimeballs--their self serving " we report the truth to the public sos to keep them informed (read--we publish our opinion to sway puplic sentiment)--)---<br /><br />some opinion here that docs are fearfull of scribing pain pill is recognized and warrented observation imo--as well as docs fear of scribing pills to users who meerly wanna get high---<br /><br />my gripe--not to track off this topic far is ADHD--attention deficite hyperactivity disorder--<br /><br />anyone pick up a "parents magazine"--etc letely???? these rags are chock full of ads for meds prompting layman parents to push (or inquire) their family docs to examine their kids and put them on the pills.---anyone read the back page of these ads in the rags--all the disclaimers stating side affects, blaa blaa--then note that these meds are a Class 2 amphetamine controled substance????????????------and same ad states a huge amount of undesirable side affects--but you want little johnny quiet and attentive--speed 'em up!!!!!!<br />these folks wanna give our kids "speed"-- the younger the better----get 'em hooked now and we got a customer forever----<br /><br />--the irony--feds and policy groups encourage docs to restrict-via sanctions--to closely monitor -to the point of docs restricting pain med to those who need 'em--while same feds (lobbied by teachers and pharmicutical interests)embrace medicating our kids siteing ADHD problems.--i know folks i have a 5 and 3 year old--now into preschool and k4-normal excellent kids imo--and the "teachers" are talking "behavior" up already--

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Yep Pat, ritalin has replaced the paddle. The Paddle kept my classmates and myself behavior to the learning level of respect. It was cheaper too!

 

[Ralph 123]

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neumanns my dear friend may you never experience a cluster and may you never, ever, ever see another human being experience one. For if you do, at that moment you will know the truest meaning of the words "pain and suffering." It has nothing to do with coping, or stress or anything else but a bizzare hypothalmis response which causes the blood vessels in the brain to diallate out of control and allow blood to flow uncontrolled into one eye. The ensuing pain has been described as among the worst a himan being can experience. It causes people to smash their heads against the wall, flush their heads in the toilet, carve their eye out, jump out of windows, off bridges, blow their brains out, etc., etc., etc. All medically documented. All observed by the medical community. All well known and mostly untreatable.<br /><br />If you'd like, come on over, we'll share a beer and you can see one for your self. Alcohol causes them to happen almost immediately. MSG within a few hours usually. Normally they begin one hour after bed time, just before deep REM. You jump out of bed feeling like somebody sticked a hot pick in your eye and is twisting it around.<br /><br />As for Docs, well, the government's own bragging about the number of licenses pulled and decline in scripts speaks for itself. The DEA monitors docs based on their DEA # on every controlled script. Too many and flags are set and investigations started. Docs simply don't want to deal with it or risk it. All this w/o due process mind you.<br /><br />If I had to guess, most of the stuff on the street is coming from Mexico (where it can be bought anywhere) and likely from the plants where the stuff is made or places along the distribution chain. I doubt highly it is coming from Docs as they are reviewed all the time. The big DEA computer in the sky has all sorts of review flags set.<br /><br />You don't have to believe a word I say. Sooner or later odds are all too good you or someone close to you will receive an education first hand. At that moment, you'll know I was shooting straight with you.

 

[denniz]

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Sorry did not read all the post but do have a opinion. Rush is a big fat pmpkinheaded peice of crap that only is famous because alot of ignorrant people who think they know goverment agree with him. Complain about everything but wont do crap to help, cause hes a celebrity. Hes the HOWARD STERN of politics, ratings is all hes after if he wanted to make a difference he could. But its easier to complain about it and get all his listeners upset than it is to make a difference.Drug user you bet, you would have to be to live that LIE.

 

[neumanns]

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Ralph, that was an excelent piece of descriptive writting. Thank you.<br /><br />Unbelivable but you and I may just have more common ground on this subject than we thought. And you also reconfirmed why I debate things at all: I may learn something. I was not aware of the MSG link, interesting.<br /><br />There are undoutebdley more and larger weak links in the illegal Prescription drug trade than errant scripts. I agree that the supply chain could use some tighter scrutiny and perhaps buy into the conspiracy theory wheres drug manufacturers are involved, i.e. the selling of same product to forgien countrys at a cheaper rate only to be smuggled back to our soil(by dealers not manufacturer). The manufacture of most of the more advanced and desirable drugs are I beleve made here. The prodction runs for our usage are monitored quit well, herin the rise of questions about end destination of product shipped elsewhere. In the end it boils down to my disdain for the illegal drug trade be it by Dr. Manufacture or User. Not necesarily with my disdain shared equally, but yet with my disdain.<br /><br />I also share some (a little) of your mistrust of the medical establishment and firmly believe there is a reason Physcians are called Practioners.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Well Rod, I am no fan of Rush's but you should hear the credit given to Rush by conservative politicians in this country and the blame laid at his feat by liberals. Like him or not, he has made a big difference in this country over the last 15 years. More than any single law maker I'd imagine. That's why he has 20M - 30M listeners. You think an American President and a whole party would constantly attack him in public if he was inconsequential?

 

[denniz]

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My feeling is, and Im probably wrong is he can talk all day long about it, ***** and complain. HOW about running for office and making some changes. DO SOMETHING not talk about it.Im not a political person so im sure you have better insite. Im a boat guy, I FIX BOATS I dont sit around and tell people how to fix boats. I DO IT.If he was so f---ing good why isnt he in office. Good to know all the 20-30 million listeners are listeneing to a drug addict talk about politics.

 

[Ralph 123]

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He does more good by being on the radio 3 hours a day and setting the agenda than he could ever do as a single vote in congress. He influeces votes and laws right where he is. Can you think of a single law maker with as much influence or power with the sole exception of the President? <br /><br />Here's an analogy, say there is a world class Merc tech out there. Where can he do the most good, helping other techs over the phone and email and setting them in the right direction, or working on a single boat by himelf each day?

 

[denniz]

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Very good analogy, I can relate. What if Howard Stern had the same agenda? just a thought. How does making a difference affect only 1 person? I thought political office meant helping a majority? Keep in mind Ralph Im not a political person. Sorry had to edit this post, Your comparing a person who actually knows his product(mercruiser) to a person who has a opinion about how this country should be run. DO YOU THINK RUSH IS A CANIDATE FOR THAT?

 

[Ralph 123]

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There is only so much you can do, and so many people you can influence as an elected official. In the House your 1 vote out of 435 and 1 out of 100 in the Senate. 1 person there can only do so much. On the radio he influences 30M people who in turn onfluence every elected official from local government all the way up to the President.<br /><br />The President makes no laws. It has been said, the real power of the Presidency is to set the nations agenda - not through force but through the influence of his office - What Teddy Roosevelt called the Bully Pullpit.<br /><br />Rush then, in his present position, with his bully pullpit, has influence akin to the President. He sets the agenda.<br /><br />Ok now a quetion for you, will the crank pulley from an 84 350 fit a 79 350? One of my crank pulleys has a wobble...<br /><br />EDIT<br />The analogy is more about setting direction - leading. For many conservatives, he knows the product - what needs to get done

 

[denniz]

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Sure he sets a agenda, ITS HIS JOB to stir people up. If he agreed with everything whod listen? What about the drug problem. You havent made refernce to that. Besides neither one of us like him so whats this discussion about?

 

[Ralph 123]

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I've made too many references to the drug problem throughout the thread. I was just trying to point out that he really has done a great deal over the last 15 years. He is partly responsible for the conservative shift in this country. He is a very powerful person. That is why he has been the #1 target of the left for a decade. Even Clinton went after him personally and publicly.

 

[denniz]

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I thought you werent a fan...You sound like his biggest supporter. BRAINWASHING thats what it is.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Honestly, not a fan at all. Just an observer. Politics and history are things I've followed and have been interested in all my life. When you are interested in politcs you can't help but know who the players are and what the pecking order is. Just because I am no fan doesn't mean I am going to call him names, or take pleasure in his pain or deny the reality of who he is and how powerful he is.<br /><br />Actually Rod, I am kind of surprised you are not a fan of his. From what I gathered from some of your posts you would seems to agree with many of his conservative positions.<br /><br />As a rule I rarely listen, read or wtach people I mostly agree with becuase I learn nothing that way. I want to hear what the other side has to say.

 

[andy h]

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hey rod there called "ditto Heads"<br /><br />Not a joke that's what the fans call themselves.<br /><br />> 30 million people chanting YES RUSH, YOUR RIGHT RUSH, ABSOLUTELY RUSH, WHATEVER YOU SAY RUSH. <br /><br />Nope not brain washing at all <br /><br />In the last Year rush has made personal attacks at a famous person for being addicted to pain meds and guess what, all the dittos wanted to run the lady out of the country. I never heard any of the callers defend her

 

[Ralph 123]

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Kind of hard to be brainwashed by someone you've only listened to maybe 10 times in 10 years. I could care less if you believe it or not. It seems you are so blinded by your idiology you can't think objectively or bother even reading what has really been said here. I can sense your glee over his problem from here.<br /><br />Who is the lady? I find it hard to believe he is that stupid to allow the subject to even come up. Kind of like Bennett never discussing gambling.