I kinda felt like a failure......

[my1stboat1]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

I live in new jersey

 

[RobbyA]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

I live in new jersey

It appears you have to carry a flare or some type of visual signaling device!

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/marine/021606-boating-safety-manual.pdf

This list all the requirements. Page 28 will give you a start.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

You forgot "bottle opener."

 

[eli_lilly]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

Here is the link to the type IV throwable. I see where it is required in the boat but I don't see where it has to be within an arms reach. I would be curious to know as well.

From 33 CFR subpart B "Personal Flotation Devices"

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? 175.19 Stowage.

(a) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type I, II, or III PFD required by ?175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by ?175.17 of this part, is readily accessible.

(b) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type IV PFD required by ?175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by ?175.17 of this part, is immediately available.

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-E

 

[redone4x4]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

In Nevada the throwable not only has to be accessable but accessable from the helm.

I did not know this......and I just took a refresher boat safety course. huh.

 

[Thad]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

You forgot "bottle opener."

Never forget that The fine from the wife is far worse than the fine from DNR for not having a throwable.

Seriously, here in Illinois, you MUST have a throwable. It is not required to be on a rope, but it DOES have to be within arms reach of the helm. If you have to leave your seat to grab it, YOU FAIL! Same with the fire extinguisher, horn/whistle, and life jacket.

I do however keep my jackets stowed while underway. I know it is wrong and if I am ever ticketed I will take it:redface:. Everything else is right where it is supposed to be though.

 

[Splat]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

Another thing I learned in a boating course that I never knew was you don't jump in to save someone (hence the need for the throwable device). A drowning person can in a state of panic grab onto you in the water and climb up you as they are gasping for air pushing "you" down under the water.

Worse yet . . . you are alone and you jump in . . . who is minding your drifting away boat

Reach....throw.......go.

Bill

 

[Fisherball]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

75 T of P,

I have a 15'8" boat in Ohio that is titled as a 16'. I called Div. of Watercraft & asked them if I need one & they said YES! In Ohio they go by titled length so you could get a ticket. I was told the only way to not need one was to have boat re-titled as 15' 8". I decided it didn't hurt to have one at $10.00 so I bought it.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

The "readily accessible" standard comes up often, as it is seldom defined, and therefore in the eyes of the officer. We had a discussion here about officers whose standard was, "if you can't have the PFD on and secured in 30 seconds, it's not "readily accessible." I can't say whether it's a good law, but it's a good practice. I've seen how fast boats go down--and think about an engine fire. Whatever you do, don't leave them in the plastic. Some officers may want them out of the white zipper bag, too.

 

[RobbyA]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

From 33 CFR subpart B "Personal Flotation Devices"

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? 175.19 Stowage.

(a) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type I, II, or III PFD required by ?175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by ?175.17 of this part, is readily accessible.

(b) No person may use a recreational boat unless each Type IV PFD required by ?175.15 of this part, or equivalent type allowed by ?175.17 of this part, is immediately available.

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-E

That still doesn't tell me within arms reach. It seems very open to interpretation. I know it being stowed in the car when you are out on the water is not immediately available, but I can have it out in 10 seconds if stowed. Is ten seconds immediate?

 

[mbgaski]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

That still doesn't tell me within arms reach. It seems very open to interpretation. I know it being stowed in the car when you are out on the water is not immediately available, but I can have it out in 10 seconds if stowed. Is ten seconds immediate?

You *might* be able to convince an officer that a stowed life jacket is "readily accessible" (really depends on your locale), but the fact that they specifically changed the wording on the throwable from readily to immediately suggests they want it even more accessible. My guess is, based on that wording, if it's stowed, it's a ticketable offense.

Luckily my state's laws are a little less strict:

Personal Flotation Devices (PFDs) - All boats must have a U.S. Coast
Guard approved wearable type PFD for each person on board or being
towed. Each PFD must be in good condition, readily available and the proper
size for the intended wearer. In addition, boats 16 feet in length or longer
must carry a Type IV throwable device. In South Carolina, any person under
twelve years of age must wear a U.S. Coast Guard approved Type I, II, III,
or V PFD when on board a class ?A? (less than 16 ft. long) boat.

Just states that we "must carry" one, so stowed is fine. In the case of the wearables stowed seems to meet "readily available" just fine, as virtually everyone I know keeps them tucked away under the deck and the wardens never have an issue with it.

 

[eli_lilly]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

That still doesn't tell me within arms reach. It seems very open to interpretation.

What do you mean, it's as clear as "Slow Speed, Minimum Wake"!

-E

 

[JetBote]

Re: I kinda felt like a failure......

Don't forget, you can (and will) get a ticket for not having that throwable cushion even if you are the only person on board! good thing you can throw it to yourself!

It's not for yourself, it's there for you to THROW to someone in need.