I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

[fshngho]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Kainon or Papa, where did ya'll get the CPES from? And what amount is needed for an 18 footer? Thanks, soryy about the hijack.

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Ordered it straight from the Doctor:

LINK

I got two gallons for a 22 foot Islander. So far I've done both boards of the transom and the deck boards and I have about 2/3 of a gallon left for the cabin walls and console, hopefully I'll have enough left to do the new motor shroud as well. If you use this stuff, do it in the open air or get the mask, these fumes are NASTY.

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Hey folks, care to comment on this stuff?
http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm

They worked in a sweet burn on POR-15....

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I'm two days away from the big "90-days-since-I-brought-this-thing-home" point and I have a LONG ways to go.

Here's what it looked like when I got there tonight:

FINALLY found the hidden screws to get the cabin walls out. This picture highly disturbs me. 90 days and it seems like it just keeps looking worse and worse. I guess next time I go over it should just be to clean the boat out entirely.

So in order to make myself feel better, I dry-fit one of the new transom boards and that looked pretty cool:

So then I did a quicky dry-fit of the floor boards as well.

Next couple items on the agenda:

- Cut out new cabin walls from 3/4 marine ply
- Soak the new cabin walls in CPES and leave to air out for a week or so
- Remove the dry-fit transom and floor boards
- Remove steering wheel and rest of console and gauges
- Clean the bejeezus outta the interior of the boat

That's as far as I'm gonna think about it for now.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I think she looks beautiful!

Tell you what man, just think if you would have had the pour in foam to deal with. Now that would have been a mess!!!

As long as we are on that subject...

Did I miss what your plan is for flotation?

I really like that you dry fit your transom and deck just to feel better. I really think that probably 80% of this rebuild game is mental. That quick glimpse of what she may look like down the road gives ya the that little extra to keep going, eh!

Keep on keeping on bro!

 

[ezmobee]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Looks good. You can think 4 steps further I believe without getting too overwhelmed....

-powerwash interior
-apply gluvit
-install flotation
-install deck

After that, you're on your own

 

[Kainon]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I used the POR-15 on my Tahoe Fuel tank about 3-4 years ago.. it was seeping a little on the top and was getting rusty .. Havent checked but no smell and I used some of it on other rusty metal on the truck and it's still in place, rock hard.

Kinda like truck bed liner, but thin and pretty tough stuff !!!

How are you liking the results of the CPES ??

And what are you going to do to the inside of the transom ?

Sanding? Zinc Chromate ?

I ran some 4200/5200 along the bottom trough to help seal, and along where the trough meets the transom ( actually where I found a screw hole that had been leaking )

 

[barato]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

papa, keep it in perspective....90 days is NOT a lot of time to restore a 35 yr old cabin cruiser. you're kicking butt the way we all see it.

as a veteran of waaay too many restos on cars, bikes, VW bus, and now tin boats, i'll second the idea that the mental is a major part of the game. one of the first things i do when trying to restart a stalled project is to wash the exterior....wholly nonfunctional but gets me more inspired. remember Pirsig's musings in Zen on the concept of "GUMPTION TRAPS"?

and never store the parts in the boat or car as that just makes the sight discouraging....build/buy cheap shelving units if needed.

 

[Kainon]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

BTW Looks AWESOME !!!

and WOW !!! I didn't realize how low the floor in your boat is vs Mine..

I have 4 stringers you have 2.. my floor is about 4"-6" higher

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Hey need some help sourcing some parts....

1. Fasteners for the floor boards.

• screws or rivets?
• stainless or aluminum?
• sizes?
• where to order them from?

2. Replacement for the gasket that goes between the gimbal and the aluminum on the transom. The original cork gasket actually came out in great shape, but these things should always be replaced after they're removed - right? Where can I get this gasket?

3. I broke one of the big bolts that held the gimbal mount to the transom when removing it. It was one of two really huge ones at the bottom that have big round heads on the outside. I could just stick another giant bolt of the same size in the hole, but this looks like a specialty bolt so I should probably find exactly the same thing. Where can I get this bolt?

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Did I miss what your plan is for flotation?

The pink or blue stuff from Lowes or HD. The whole noodle controversy makes me uncomfortable and I'm staying out of it.

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

How are you liking the results of the CPES ??

And what are you going to do to the inside of the transom ?

Sanding? Zinc Chromate ?

I'm actually not all that impressed with the CPES. I coated some scrap with it when I first did the transom and last night I cut that scrap piece in half to try to see how deeply the CPES penetrated and I can't see any penetration at all. It's nice and hard out on the surface but I see no evidence that it seeped in even at the edges and that was really the big selling point.

Inside of the transom is getting the wire wheel treatment (actually it's a nylon abrasive wheel, a little more forgiving than wire I hope). Then zinc chromate.

I don't need to put adhesive between the aluminum and the wood transom boards do I?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I don't need to put adhesive between the aluminum and the wood transom boards do I?

I sure as heck wouldn't.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

The pink or blue stuff from Lowes or HD. The whole noodle controversy makes me uncomfortable and I'm staying out of it.

Chicken

I know when I get to my deck I'll be going rivets for sure. Screws seem to me like they would eventually wiggle their way loose. I know when I pulled up my old deck any screw that was in there was loose while any rivet that was loose was only because of rotted wood.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I agree that rivets probably have more holding power. However, I used deck screws on the Jupiter and none backed out any that I could tell in the 5 years I ran it. I used deck screws again on the SS with some adhesive on the ribs and stringers as well.

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Yesterday I spent about two hours with a power washer and a nylon abrasive "cup wheel" on the drill. Came out looking pretty good if I do say so myself.

Today I made a big ole transom sandwich. Used thin epoxy resin and all the clamps and random heavy things that were nearby.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Your hull looks great man! I was just thinking about how much I'd like to get on to washing out my hull a few minutes ago. Ah, but the trailer has to be done first.

Nice sandwich! Chips with that?

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Okay, rivet decision time. I'd really appreciate it if y'all would "opinionate" a little on this for me (I do believe I've just invented a new word).

The floor: 1/2 plywood with 10oz. fiberglass on top. I wanna put the rivets through AFTER fiberglassing the floor to make it easier to pull the floors back up if I ever need to. Think the rivet heads will crack the epoxy over time?

I finally remembered McMaster Carr - they've got a great site for finding exactly the right part, I've ordered stuff from them before and always been happy with their service.

Their site doesn't allow direct linking, so you have to go to their site first:
McMaster-Carr

Then seach for part no:
97447A065

Here's the specs of the one I've picked out, is this gonna work?

They're cheap too - $7.53 for 100

Rivet Type - Blind
Blind Rivet Type - General Purpose
Rivet Material - Aluminum
Mandrel Material - Aluminum
Aluminum Type - Rivet is 5000 series; mandrel is 5000-7000 series
Rivet Material Thickness Range - .501" - .625"
Diameter - .188" (3/16")
Hole Size - .192" - .196"
Drill Size - #11
Length - .825"
Head Style - Domed
Head Diameter (A) - .394"
Head Height (B) - .063" (1/16")
Shear Strength - 315 lbs.
Tensile Strength - 500 lbs.

 

[paparoof]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

I find myself in a desert of rivet opionators!

Okay, I'll go it alone if I must.

Here's today's progress:

Spent another couple hours with the wire wheel on the drill getting the hull nice and shiny. Then I hit the transom aluminum with a couple coats of ZC primer. You can also see a little section of the shelf I hit with truck bed liner as a test.

Then after getting home I figured the transom sandwich had a good 28 hours under pressure, the epoxy's prolly not gonna get any harder, so may as well take off the pressure and cut the angle at the top that I'd been dreading ever since beginning this project. Measure 16 times, cut once, ain't no big thang.

Then I re-cut all the other sides:

Tomorrow is the first day of school, so I'll be back into "daddy responsibility" hours. If I have any energy left after they're asleep I'll sand the corners and round everything off, then re-coat with epoxy.

The to-do list as it stands today:
- re-assemble the transom
- rebuild console
- lay floor boards in place
- install replacement motor
- install OD/lower unit and pray
- splash test and look for leaks

 

[jasoutside]

Re: I'm an owner! 1975 Islander 22

Your hull looks great and you did some nice cuts on that transom board man, great work!