Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

[Plainsman]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

"Oh, I see real fair of you: Eric! So Cops here in this Liberal Area That I Operate My Lawfull Business In Cannot even ask immigration status of anyone IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, all licenses of any type are available to any illegal: by the force of WASHINGTON STATE LAW without ANY questions of legal statis BY LAW."

If ya have to ask, you should push that file to the trash.

"I guess you don't mind all businesses shutting down here in Seattle and other Liberal places with all the business owners in jail eh, Eric? I guess you need a massive tax increase to build the prisons to hold all of us previously law abiding business people you want to break us with your insane wish to force us to correct all the immigration ills of the last 40 years?"

Seems to me that tent cities work for jails, even in the winter. It's good enough for service members, good enough for criminals. See rule one to avoid this.

I have no rage, I just think employers need to use some common sense.

" I guess you don't mind all businesses shutting down here in Seattle and other Liberal places with all the business owners in jail eh, Eric?"

Not really, if they can't obey the law I could give a rats *** about them.

 

[JRJ]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

If a few regular tax-payers had initiated this bill, they would have been accused of being on crack. Sad state of affairs.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

I agree with OMR. When does it become the responsibility of the private sector to provide what the government says it can't do. Meanwhile left wing whacko's arrogantly ignore existing laws and flaunt their moral superiorty as more "thoughtful" and "enlightened" while holding productive and "legal" citizens as more culpable than the agencies who are specifically charged with enforcing our very very clear laws. I guess it is just easier to abdicate their responsibilities in the name of diversity, while portraying business owners as all "rich" and responsible for the ill's created by government.

We have plenty of laws. What we also have are activist judges, corrupt elected officials, and a dillusional voting public who are afraid their liberal friends might call them racist. Think about what would happen if a business owner called INS and said senor XYZ has an illegal drivers license. Do you think the government would even show up? Never!! But if he hires Jose and it happens to be an election cycle, so a raid is launched, the business owner gets to pay a huge fine, and maybe go to jail.

I now need to puke.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

"Oh, I see real fair of you: Eric! So Cops here in this Liberal Area That I Operate My Lawfull Business In Cannot even ask immigration status of anyone IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, all licenses of any type are available to any illegal: by the force of WASHINGTON STATE LAW without ANY questions of legal statis BY LAW."

If ya have to ask, you should push that file to the trash.

"I guess you don't mind all businesses shutting down here in Seattle and other Liberal places with all the business owners in jail eh, Eric? I guess you need a massive tax increase to build the prisons to hold all of us previously law abiding business people you want to break us with your insane wish to force us to correct all the immigration ills of the last 40 years?"

Seems to me that tent cities work for jails, even in the winter. It's good enough for service members, good enough for criminals. See rule one to avoid this.

I have no rage, I just think employers need to use some common sense.

" I guess you don't mind all businesses shutting down here in Seattle and other Liberal places with all the business owners in jail eh, Eric?"

Not really, if they can't obey the law I could give a rats *** about them.

Hmmmm, I guess you loose all rationality about yer pet pieves just like Liberals seem to do about theirs. Ya been sneakin' some nips of the Libs' stash or is this irrational cornduct normal in yer situation when the subject of immigration comes up? Runnin' a fever? I guess I'm now DISSAPOINTED IN YOU TOO ERIC! I guess the immigration mess causes even normally rational Cornservatives to become totally irrational. Forcing lawfull businesses under when they take all precautions to obey the law is just nuts! Do you suggest rectal exams to prove citizenship? I require all my past and present employees to sign a form attesting their lawfull residential status under oath, prior to employment, document all forms of ID, (ss card, drivers licence, n' health card), and my lawyer is good enough to keep me out of jail under the present circus of laws in this State you want to hang me with. Ya think ya can magically balance all the wrongs on the backs of EVIL Business! WoW! Have a good night Eric! JR

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Hmmmm, I guess you loose all rationality about yer pet pieves just like Liberals seem to do about theirs. Ya been sneakin' some nips of the Libs' stash or is this irrational cornduct normal in yer situation when the subject of immigration comes up? Runnin' a fever? I guess I'm now DISSAPOINTED IN YOU TOO ERIC! I guess the immigration mess causes even normally rational Cornservatives to become totally irrational. Forcing lawfull businesses under when they take all precautions to obey the law is just nuts! Do you suggest rectal exams to prove citisenship? I require all my past and present employees to sign a form attesting their lawfull residential status under oath, prior to employment, document all forms of ID, (ss card, drivers licence, n' health card), and my lawyer is good enough to keep me out of jail under the present circus of laws in this State you want to hang me with. Ya think ya can magically balance all the wrongs on the backs of EVIL Business! WoW!Have a good night Eric! JR

Evey job I had I had to show a S.S card and a drivers license. If those are shown, checked and verified by those agencies, then you are not liable in my eyes. If you don't take the time, then shame and fine for you .

Seems to me by your responses that Bro Haut and CJY have rubbed off on you.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Check out Lou Dobbs regarding the 'amnesty bill'. These politicians who tried to pull the wool over our eyes should be flogged. Repubs and Dems alike. They so self righteously declared that we just did not understand.

We understood and it is too bad we cannot do the 'off with their heads' routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1I-fJn959o&mode=related&search=

They don't get it. We do not want a North America Alliance, we do not want open borders, we do not want the American way diluted with third world values. We do not want to be brought down to the lowest common denominator.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Evey job I had I had to show a S.S card and a drivers license.

Eric, You seem to resent business like some of the others here on this forum, (they seem to loose are their ability to think rationaly about the oil business when the price of gas is high). Not Rubber's gas!

I do everything I can to avoid the fines and liability you want to throw my way, but you don't "give a rats' arse" and want me to go to jail because I lack the personal resources to inforce Federal law in the wacky Liberal community I reside and do business in.

You usually are a steady, predictable, (a bit preachy Cornservative), but immigration to you is like Rolmops n' PW2s stash is to them: it makes ya state irrational things! I always have a photo copy of my employee's ss card and drivers' licence and a signed sworn statement to show the Gestapo that you want to but me in jail, and after a lot of money that my hungry lawyer will require those documents will eventually get me out of the jail you want me to be in, (it will probably force me to close my legal business and lay off my remaining legal employes), but: you don't give a rats' arse: right? It will be hard to do totally lawfull business in America under the conditions you want my business to toil under, but you "don't give a rats' arse".

If those are shown, checked and verified by those agencies,

What are you SMOKING: Eric? What agencies? Have you even read my replys to your foolish statements? THIS STATE GIVES ILLEGALS ANY LICENCES THEY WANT!! Please read the previous sentence to the point where it sinks in. MY LOCAL LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL LAW INFORCEMENT CREATED THIS NIGHTMARE, and you want me to go to jail for failure to inforce Federal Law. NEWS FLASH: if ya can get a drivers licence, (or any other licence), it is real easy to get a ss # that maybe a real persons and hard for ME TO TELL a good ss # from a bad one. WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO JAIL AND GO OUT OF BUSINESS FOR TRYING MY BEST TO OBAY A LAW THAT IS BROKEN????

then you are not liable in my eyes.

OH, you sound like my lawyer now. Ya want me thrown in jail, but you will let me out after I pay my lawyer the big fees, and then hire him to process the bankruptcy that was caused when the Gestapo hand cuffed me and hauled me to jail because I MISTAKENLY hired an illegal. REAL NICE ERIC. Thinkin' clearly are we?

If you don't take the time, then shame and fine for you .

Oh I know you realy wanna punish business for your mental issues about immigration. YOU DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

Seems to me by your responses that Bro Haut

Bro Haut probably is somewhat similar to me, (somewhat Left of me, but he seems to be very pragmatic in his views, as I think I am). We both live and own small business in a very Liberal major city, and he lived in very Liberal NJ prior. When you constantly are surrounded by Politically powerfull Liberals it makes you somewhat pragmatic and much more tollerant then you seem to be: Eric.

and CJY have rubbed off on you.

CJY is articulate, (as I also believe I am). I rarely agree with him unlike me Bro where we do agree: frequently.

Since we are trading insults here: you remind me of King Skinny. You are ashamed of the fact that I am an Independant, (where you lectured me that I'm a whimp for not bein' a Republican). I don't think you know what yer talkin' about, as I live here and you don't. You are totally irrational and anti business over Immigration, (it is almost like a psychosis, were you are lucid about most other things, and we agree more then disagree). You don't like the fact that I appologized to CJY over my own miss steps. Eric: you appear to be real intolerant of others. If you lived in a Liberal major city, you may learn to get along better. I know I'm in yer face here, but I don't mean this in a personal way. Respectfully, (and I do mean that) JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Check out Lou Dobbs regarding the 'amnesty bill'. These politicians who tried to pull the wool over our eyes should be flogged. Repubs and Dems alike. They so self righteously declared that we just did not understand.

We understood and it is too bad we cannot do the 'off with their heads' routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1I-fJn959o&mode=related&search=

They don't get it. We do not want a North America Alliance, we do not want open borders, we do not want the American way diluted with third world values. We do not want to be brought down to the lowest common denominator.

Hey Boom, Lou Dobbs is one of the most biased and untruthfull of all the self promoting fools on CNN. He has many problems with his past hard Left adjenda reporting on this very issue, (he has been forced to very quietly retract a number of foundational facts that he has focused on for years), which blows up years of wrong headed propaganda. HE HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY WITH ME. In fact: CNN is just terrible when it comes to the facts or truth! Remember Peter Arnett? How about Larry King letting Paris Hilton lie about her past drug use unchallanged. CNN stinks! Respectfully JR ps: I don't necessarily disagree with most of yer point, just that Dodds is a garbage anchor!

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Why should any business have to enforce immigration policy?....
That's the Gubmint's job, & that is why it is in such a pathetic state.....
I could see businessess aiding the Gub, but the enforcement should not fall on them.....
What the Gub needs to do, is implement a 'worker card' that is foolproof with respect to verifiying one's citizenship status......
Which, I agree, is nearly impossible.....But....
If this card is presented at the time of employment & is somehow falsified, it should not be the employer's fault.....
Now if a employer uses illegals knowingly, then they should feel the full wrath of fines & possible imprisonment themselves......
I personally will not have to worry about any of this because I will never hire anyone with an accent, let alone can't speak English.....​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Why should any business have to enforce immigration policy?....

Totally agree, as you also own a business and understand the predicament we are both in, that Eric wants us to do some jail time over.

That's the Gubmint's job, & that is why it is in such a pathetic state.....
I could see businessess aiding the Gub, but the enforcement should not fall on them.....
What the Gub needs to do, is implement a 'worker card' that is foolproof with respect to verifiying one's citizenship status......
Which, I agree, is nearly impossible.....But....

Nah, a card could make the verification errors very small like credit cards et al, it is just the potential for abuse of said card we would all need to pack by yer beloved Nanny "Gub", that scares the he11 outa me. That said we do need such card.

If this card is presented at the time of employment & is somehow falsified, it should not be the employer's fault.....

My whole point to Eric! See Eric: Bro Haut is much more rational about this particular issue then you are. Maybe it is experience. He and I both own companies and actually employ people.

Now if a employer uses illegals knowingly, then they should feel the full wrath of fines & possible imprisonment themselves......

Don't dissagree, (intentional lawbreaking should get the boot) but I feel the same way about local officials n' pols who offer sanctuary and enable and institutionalize the lawlessness Eric wants us to go to jail over.

I personally will not have to worry about any of this because I will never hire anyone with an accent, let alone can't speak English.....​

Yer jus' funnin' here. You know you can't discriminate: Bro, don't let Eric's Gestapo guys he wants to send our way ever see this post. Ya just have to have the copy of the employees' IDs and the sworn signed statement in the file to show 'em when they kick yer door in and want to see yer papers! JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Yer jus' funnin' here. You know you can't discriminate: Bro, don't let Eric's Gestapo guys he wants to send our way ever see this post. Ya just have to have the copy of the employees IDs and the sworn signed statement in the file to show 'em when they kick yer door in and want to see yer papers! JR

No, I'm not!.....
White guys can have accents too.....
I would never hire a Texan again......
There is no law that I know of that precludes me from not cornsidering someone for employment based on their accent.....​

 

[Nova II 260]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Do you suggest rectal exams to prove citizenship?

In San Fransisco they'd be lining up voluntarily.


The argument on the hill today is "we can't enforce the existing law". Then why was it approved and voted on by those dunces in the house? What is the reason local law enforcement(s) can't enforce our federal laws? Do they not supercede local statues? Can we set a precidence here? If the IA's need not comply to our immigration laws, can I pick and chose a few Fed laws that I do not want to comply with..i.e pay income tax, SSI

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

In San Fransisco they'd be lining up voluntarily.


The argument on the hill today is "we can't enforce the existing law".

That is in fact acurate. Nobody ever acurately stated that Ted Kennedy is stupid: 'cause he is not. He is also one of the most effective Senators in DC, (the cess pool not Dockside down here). He has changed our Country and pushed his philosophy nearly as effectively as FDR did in the 1930s. Many of the problems we have today are a direct result of his very effective legislation, (defeat in 1975 and immigration today). I don't like his political positions but I DO RESPECT HIM. (and maybe fear him a little too).

Then why was it approved and voted on by those dunces in the house?

Power money, power money, power money.

What is the reason local law enforcement(s) can't enforce our federal laws? Do they not supercede local statues?

Ever heard the corncept of Federalism? I suggest ya pull out the Cornstatution and bone up on the corncept. It will show ya what Ted Kennedy and Liberal local pols have INTENTIONALLY created to retain power and grow Nanny Government. Very impressive piece o work they've done to us, and the MSM will exploit the lack of critical thinkin' and effectively blame those mean Republicans. It works real well for those who are experts on all aspects of homosexuality, and nothing else.

Can we set a precidence here?

No. Please read the Cornstatution.

If the IA's need not comply to our immigration laws, can I pick and chose a few Fed laws that I do not want to comply with..i.e pay income tax, SSI

Only if yer a Libeal Democrat. Cornservatives go to jail even if they try to obey the law, and some on our own side encourage it. JR

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Since we are trading insults here: you remind me of King Skinny. You are ashamed of the fact that I am an Independant, (where you lectured me that I'm a whimp for not bein' a Republican). I don't think you know what yer talkin' about, as I live here and you don't. You are totally irrational and anti business over Immigration, (it is almost like a psychosis, were you are lucid about most other things, and we agree more then disagree). You don't like the fact that I appologized to CJY over my own miss steps. Eric: you appear to be real intolerant of others. If you lived in a Liberal major city, you may learn to get along better. I know I'm in yer face here, but I don't mean this in a personal way. Respectfully, (and I do mean that) JR

Where did I insult you? And is having the employer verify that the SS number and name match up making YOU enforce any law? Or are you just to lazy to do it? Are you arresting them or calling ICE? Did I ever say that you should? So you just hire folks off the street? Is that what your saying? Do your employees have to fill out a W-4 for SS with holdings? And what does it matter where you live? Are you saying because you live in a lib city/state that you don't follow the rules? I'm beginning to believe you about only one working brain cell. I

I am intolerant of some folks no doubt about it. Some folks just don't get it. And I am sure some are intolerant of me, I could care less.

 

[Nova II 260]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

IMHO, ted kennedy is the one of the most dangerous criminals in America! He's drunken POS guilty of homicidal negligence and should be doing time. That's why he sides with the I.A. and gay element. If he ever does do time, he'll be among friends. Just another reason for America to clean both sides of the House. 43 years of kennedy socialist politics is enough!
And the list goes on, and on, and on.........

Pass the popcorn, please!

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Where did I insult you? And is having the employer verify that the SS number and name match up making YOU enforce any law?

I guess you think I have the ss data base for 300 million living Americans? (Not to mention the dead ones since the 1930s). What planet do you live on?

Or are you just to lazy to do it?

Yah I'm too lazy to enforce the immigration laws of this Country, Is calling someone lazy an insult?

Are you arresting them or calling ICE?

Not my job: didn't you say I'm lazy?

Did I ever say that you should?

No, but you said I should go to jail if I don't enforce immigration law.

So you just hire folks off the street? Is that what your saying?

NO: I did not say that.

Do your employees have to fill out a W-4 for SS with holdings?

I comply with all relavent laws: Eric.

And what does it matter where you live? Are you saying because you live in a lib city/state that you don't follow the rules? I'm beginning to believe you about only one working brain cell. I

I guess ya don't get the corncept of Federalism either. Please read the Cornstatution. All local law enforcement are directed to provide sanctuary. Maybe sometime you will open a business, and learn a few things about the reality of yer HARD POSITIONS.

I am intolerant of some folks no doubt about it. Some folks just don't get it. And I am sure some are intolerant of me, I could care less.

That comes across loud and clear. JR

 

[rolmops]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

Yada yada yada.
As far as I am concerned,nobody has come up with an alternative to illegal workers.
Sent the employers to jail?? That would be the day,we would need illegal aliens to build enough prisons to hold them all.
Catch them all??? We better get the armed forces back from Irak to catch them all.Oh wait. Many ,many soldiers who serve are Hispanics and they would probably not like to hunt their friends or family members.This leads to the next problem.The army does accept aliens and many earn their citizen ship by serving,even though they entered the country in illegal ways.This means that Uncle Sam himself hires illegal aliens.If Uncle Sam can ,so can I.
Real solutions are very hard to come by.Loud screaming is very cheap.

 

[57whitehouse]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

It is the responsibility of buisness owners and citizens alike, to obey the law to the best of thier abilities. The government needs our help, they cannot do it on thier own. We as law abiding Americans will benifet in the long run by making some sacrifices now. During the civil war (not trying to compare this as being the same) great men (and women) made great sacrifices for the sake of what they believed in. We just need to make some sacrifices of inconveniences and some finances. This is a long term fight.

Start with borders. Then with ID cards that can't be faked. Reward buisness owners who don't hire illegals and punish those who do. Tell you representatives what you want and vote them out if they don't do it.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

That comes across loud and clear. JR

You are totally reading into my posts OMR.

Compare the SS number on the card to the W-4, you don't need a database to do that.

I said you should go jail and be fined if you HIRE ILLEGAL immigrants and know it.

Where you ever got the idea that I thought YOU should ENFORCE the laws is way beyond me.

" All local law enforcement are directed to provide sanctuary " Are you saying that you actually believe that is in the Constitution of the Untied States?

 

[Skinnywater]

Re: Immigration Bill Dead.. Good.

...........They seem pretty worthless to me if all they can do is pork barrel deals here and there to raise taxes and pad their own little nests and assure THEIR relection. Screw them: equal opportunity bash here: a pox on all of 'em!!! My $.02, JR

So you've been listening after all.

So really, all it would take is just one itty bitty Independent anybody to get into the Whitehouse for a measly 4 years. This one action could do more and faster to cure much of what is the problem in Washington.
It might even save the country.