Iran Nuclear Problem and Common Sense

kenimpzoom · Feb 1, 2006

In case some people might think Iran really will use the nukes for electricity, I'll use a little bit of common sense. Iran has jillions of barrells of oil. They could generate a 1000 years of electricity with the amount of oil they have. They also have very little demand for electricity. So why would Iran want nuclear power? They could use hydrocarbon based for 1/10th of the cost of nuclear. There is only one reason. They want a bomb, period. IAEC use some common sense!!!!! Ken

rodbolt · Feb 1, 2006

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possibly, also could be that if all you have to sell is taters ya dont eat all your taters. but Russia is gonna get the jump on us there it seems. seems they understand that the nuke genie is out of the bottle so if there is gonna be a facility built they may as well profit and place some of their folks in the facility to keep an eye on things. a much better plan than sticking ones head in the sand and hollering. fact is they have the technology but not the machinery,yet. they will someday sooner or later. may as well have an american desighned, staffed and managed facility as a russian or french one. however that would mean a bit of co-operation that will make some politicians eat their rhetoric and I dont see that happening. biggest thing is if its american built we can keep our eyes in place, seems we run blind to much in the area.

Elmer Fudge · Feb 1, 2006

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Iran holds too many trump cards at the moment, if the western nations really want to deny the Iranians from "prematurely" acquiring a fully functioning nuclear reactor, the only method at their disposal is to destroy those reactors by military means.

JB · Feb 1, 2006

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Hmmmm. Let me be devil's advocate for a moment. Oil is Iran's primary source of revenue. Use it and you can't sell it. By whatever logic, Iran has a right to run it's internal affairs so long as it does not violate treaty commitments. Nuclear power is clean, cheap and renewable. The problem is that the processes of preparing "fuel" for most nuclear power plants also have the ability to produce weapons grade material. It seems to me that the US, Russia, the UK, China, India, Pakistan, France (HAHAHA) or any other nuclear capable nation could assist Iran in bringing nuclear power online without the ability to produce (or use

) weapons grade material. Why not? Now, the other side of the coin: Iran's Government has declared that Israel should be eliminated. Nukes would be a quick way to do that, except that the Mossad would figure it out ahead of time and Israel would vaporize Iran's capability just like they did for Iraq. Then we have WWIII. No way is any US President going to allow Israel to be defeated. Amazing thing: Israel is keeping very quiet about this whole thing. Are they the guy with the rifle pointed at Iran that Roy Rogers has stashed in the rocks?

kenimpzoom · Feb 1, 2006

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JB, Russia was going to build a nuclear power plant. It was a done deal, except the deal required Russia to supply the nukes. Iran didnt like that. They want to be able to build their own "non military" nukes. I cant come up with a good reason why. Also, do the math. Sure they could sell the oil and not use it for electricity, but a nuclear plant is very expensive compared to fossil fuels. They would be way ahead in money by buring fossil fuels. Ken

NOSLEEP · Feb 1, 2006

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I believe Israel will strike and invade Iran, just when they least expect it. If Iran does not change its course.

bootle · Feb 1, 2006

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Originally posted by NOSLEEP: I believe Israel will strike and invade Iran, just when they least expect it. If Iran does not change its course.

Israel possesses the capability to strike and destroy the Iranian nuclear reactors. However they do not have the capability to invade Iran.

NOSLEEP · Feb 1, 2006

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Destroying Iran's nuclear program with out a viable plan to disable the Iranian government and military, Would be no plan at all.

18rabbit · Feb 1, 2006

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Me thinks trying to regulate technology, any technology, is a huge mistake. If Iran had nukes, why would we care?!? MAD (mutual annihilation deterrent) is assured for all countries with nukes. It is what kept the USSR from launching. It keeps China and/or N Korea from launching. It keeps India and Pakistan in check. I dont see Iran having nukes as the issue. I see the potential to export the product as the issue, i.e. small, tactical nukes. As long as Israel has nukes, every country around her will strive to acquire them as well, and with valid reason. If we wanted to keep nukes out of the mid-East, we need to start by disarming Israels nukes and removing that technology from that country. Until that happens, we will forever be the bad guys in the eyes of every other mid-East country.

kenimpzoom · Feb 1, 2006

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Because Iran is just crazy enough to use the nukes. Everybody else uses them only as deterrents. Heck I dont even worry that much that North Korea has nukes. They just use them to hold the world hostage. Have you read about some of the things the Iran president has said. He has talked about the end of the world and a new prophet coming that will right the wrongs of the world. He is a lunatic and is 100% not to be trusted. Ken

bootle · Feb 1, 2006

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JB wrote, "The problem is that the processes of preparing "fuel" for most nuclear power plants also have the ability to produce weapons grade material." This is very true, What i do not understand is, why not aid the Iranians in building the types of nuclear reactors(light-water) like the ones in Germany, Japan and a few other countries, that do not produce weapons grade plutonium. JB wrote,"It seems to me that the US, Russia, the UK, China, India, Pakistan, France (HAHAHA) or any other nuclear capable nation could assist Iran in bringing nuclear power online without the ability to produce (or use ) weapons grade material. Why not?" The fundamental arguement of the Iranians is that they would be dependent upon another nation for their energy resource, a case in point is the failure of Russia to supply the natural gas needs to Georgia and Ukrane (sp). In their eyes Russia may not adequately provide the security the Iranians are looking for in the supply of nuclear fuel.

bootle · Feb 1, 2006

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Originally posted by NOSLEEP: Destroying Iran's nuclear program with out a viable plan to disable the Iranian government and military, Would be no plan at all.

I agree, though there may be lots of plans, none of them seems to be viable at this time.

KaGee · Feb 1, 2006

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No worries about Israel invading Iran. For the most part, their military design is defensive. Though they may have the ability to attack their immediate neighbors, they could not carryout any kind of sustained occupation necessary to carry out an invasion of Iran. Now a pre-emptive strike... very possible and unless the situation changes, very probable. Their silence is deafening. I've heard it is very likely that Israel has missile capabilities heretofore not made public. They may not need to launch a traditional air strike like they did in Iraq. They may also possess neutron type weaponry.

kenimpzoom · Feb 1, 2006

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If they are so worried about Russia supplying the nuclear fuel, WHY THE HECK DONT THEY JUST USE THE JILLIONS OF BARRELS OF CRUDE OIL!!! Aint gonna be any supply disruptions with that fuel source. Ya see, it is all just a front, they act all nice and say they only want it for electricity. Its all smoke and mirrors! Ken

KaGee · Feb 1, 2006

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You and I both know that Ken. I find it ironic that the people who harped that we should have Europe and the U.N. as partners in Iraq, are now complaining that we are doing so with Iran.

txswinner · Feb 1, 2006

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Why can't we just come home and take care of us. Isolationism can work, what do we need from the rest of the world we can't buy. Put up tariffs, and raise and lower according to country's we deal with. I can answer this one! Corporations will not let the people....

txswinner · Feb 1, 2006

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Before you attack with it can't work and the world eco system c...p. Tell me what we need from another country that we can not produce.

bootle · Feb 1, 2006

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom: If they are so worried about Russia supplying the nuclear fuel, WHY THE HECK DONT THEY JUST USE THE JILLIONS OF BARRELS OF CRUDE OIL!!! Aint gonna be any supply disruptions with that fuel source. Ya see, it is all just a front, they act all nice and say they only want it for electricity. Its all smoke and mirrors! Ken

I quite agree that it is a lot of smoke and mirrors, all of the yelling will not change the fact that Iran retains the right by treaty to produce and enrich nuclear fuel for the purpose of energy production and a number of other various applications. However the fear is that Iran has not been forthright in their methods and declarations to the IAEA, therefore the trust factor is highly questionable to date. It it up to Iran to prove to the IAEA that their nuclear program is for none other than peaceful purposes, so far they have not met that criteria. Failing to do so Iran will not and should not be permitted to continue with their nuclear research. Thats it in a nutshell

JB · Feb 1, 2006

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Refer to the SOTU for whether isolationism can work. The big danger of Iran having nuke weapons is not that they would use them. They would become a huge parking lot if they did. I think they would wear them as a BIG pistol that says "Don't tread on me" just like the nuke nations do. The danger is that they would supply them to terrorists or "allow" terrorists to steal them. Please enlighten me on how using petro power plants is so cheap compared to nuclear power. The Iranians need to do the deal they cut with Russia or forget nuclear power.

bootle · Feb 1, 2006

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Originally posted by JB: The Iranians need to do the deal they cut with Russia or forget nuclear power.

I agree, or perhaps they can have the fuel enrichment process done by any or all of the already established nuclear powers, if they don't want to put all of their eggs in one basket. Then that may be just too complex a solution to a very simple problem

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