Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

642mx

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Re: Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

So you believe it's OK to exceed weight ratings, and put yourself at risk?

A lot of these folks think you can pull an aircraft carrier with a Vespa.

Nooo... but I think if your truck can tow 10000 lbs and you have a 9000lb boat, you don't need to put your passengers on a scale to see how much the weigh. Just hook up the boat and go have fun.
 

skargo

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Nooo... but I think if your truck can tow 10000 lbs and you have a 9000lb boat, you don't need to put your passengers on a scale to see how much the weigh. Just hook up the boat and go have fun.

I agree with this 100%.
 

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So you believe it's OK to exceed weight ratings, and put yourself at risk?

I stated 5%. It's no different than driving 68.25 MPH in a 65 MPH zone. Think about it.
 

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Something to consider:

The OP has a 4.0L 4x4 Sport Trac. The 4.6L 4x4 Sport Trac has a 6990lb tow rating with the identical brakes and tow hitch. The 4.6L has a higher gear ratio of 3.55 so I would actually prefer the lower gear ratio of 3.73 in the 4.0L.

Therefore, it would seem that the limiting factor of this particular 2010 Ford Sport Trac is the 4.0L and tranny. Stopping a, lets say a 3705boat+1000lb trailer + 140lbs gas (20gallons) + 155 lbs of gear (cooler,vhf radio, ski rope, wakeboards, etc) = 5000lb load would actually be easer with a 4.0L Sport Trac because the truck already weighs LESS than the 6990lb capacity 4.6L version with identical brakes. So stopping wont be a problem, especially with proper trailer brakes. And getting a ticket or being illegal isn't going to be a problem, even with a full tank of gas (21gallon capacity) and several 50lb coolers on board. The police are not going to start adding up the weight of all 7 life preserves to see if the owner is tipping the 5100 lb mark. Unless the OP decides to stock up for a month long trip and put all the gear in the boat, he's not going to be over. So he's legal.

That being said, the engine and tranny aren't going to be very happy, but it's a new truck, under warranty, and if it couldn't tow 5100 lbs then Ford wouldn't have rated it at that, and his warranty is still intact.

Fill up close to the ramp, don't put a lot of gear in the boat, and you'll be fine. Heck, even on a weekend trip with two overnight bags and a cooler, I bet I don't have much over 100 lbs of gear in the boat counting the anchor.

Let fly the spears.
 

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I disagree, thick tranny fluid can do the same as thin tranny fluid. IMPO you can over cool a tranny. In fact the reason it is run to your radiator is to warm it to operating temp. Then the constant temp maintains and cools the fluid as req.
I have plumbed them before the raiator and after the raiator and in my experience the ones plumbed after the radiator do better on the long hual. You really need to know the safe temp to opperate at and then what yours will operate at under your load. A temp guage is priceless. Just my .02 cents though.

Just another 2 cents but before the rad cools the fluid and the then the rad warms if necessary back to operating temp or cools further if necessary.
My thoughts are that excessive heat kills the tranny.
Just my 2 cents though.
 

kenmyfam

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C&P from a towing site.
I don't tow at all and installed a cooler for this reason. You can get a quality B&M stacked plate cooler for $50 that comes with pretty much everything you need. It's design is also one where thick, cool fluid will initially bypass the cooler so it won't "overcool", and when it thins/heats up enough it will go through the rest of the cooler. I didn't have my Scangauge before the cooler but you can read about other people's temps getting into the 250-270* range with the stock setup. The highest I've seen mine get post-cooler is 190* after a day of stop and go city driving.

Just an alternate opinion though.
 
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Re: Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

if your in a wreck and they prove your vech. was not rated to pull the weight could cause you big problems just my 2 cents
 

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Re: Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

As to the tranny cooling thing, I put a derale pan on my trans and saw temps on my trans go down 15-20?. I thought the "turbulators" were so much snake oil but I needed a pan anyway, when I put a race built(billet input, output, etc) transmission behind my cummins. It was fairly cheap and came with a magnetic drain plug too. The turbulators are tubes braised into the pan that allows outside air to flow through, cooling the trans oil.
 

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mxzeatr

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They don't weigh private vehicles around here. They didn't where I used to live either. Impound your boat? Yea, right! "Illegal"? Post a link.

5% is 250 lb on a 5,000 lb trailer. Go back and re-read my post on tow ratings.

I'm not, and have never been the guy who says it's OK to tow a cruiser with a Honda civic, but I believe if the OP is close, he will be fine.

BTW: From reading this forum, I find lots of people saying it's fine to scrape the rust off a thirty year old painted steel trailer and use it, or weld new parts in, but then they turn around and say you need a 20% cushion between the actual weight and the recommended capacity?

I think some folks just like to argue.

...and I'm willing to believe your one of them.

Yes they will pull over personal vehicles for little reasons, start investingating a bit and find out your illegal or over weight, and they'll yank your boat away with a tow truck. Don't believe me? Its happened to a friend pulling a 6 place snowmobile trailer (enclosed) loaded to the max with 6 guys/gear with a Chevy Tahoe. Ruined thier weekend! Its also illegal to pull without propper mirrors in MI, do they enforce it all the time? No, but would I want to get caught? No.

Ratings are numbers on paper, maximum numbers on paper. I can bench press 375lbs, but I don't do it all the time? Thats the same thing right?
 

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Holy crap, 375lbs! Remind me not to mess with mxzeatr! :D

It's all good, not sure why we all get worked up on the internet. I have my beliefs and stand by them, but arguing on the internet is just silly. You guys live your lives, and do what you have to do!
 

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Re: Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

WOW, this guy has his answer and has decided against towing that boat with that vehicle. So..................anyway.....................

Incidently, a good buddy of mine has an Exlporer 2wd 4.0l and tows his 21 ft Carravelle that weighs in at about as much as the OP is thinking about. He is in the Navy and has moved his family here, and the Explorer, but he doesnt get here til November. He has a Toyota Tundra 4 door back in Texas where he is currently stationed, so he will be in good shape when he moves completely.

The advice about filling up near the ramp and not carrying a ton of gear is a good one. We haul some of his crap for him so he stays legal. The Explorer struggles big time, is hard to stop, and is a bit hairy to get out of a steep ramp, but it does the trick until he gets his other vehicle here. The only problem with the fuel fill up is that like me, he likes to keep it full all the time especially when it is gonna sit for a couple weeks. A full tank is less likely to get as much condensation in it.

I saw a Dodge Caravan towing a Bayliner 2455 the other day. Are you kidding me??? So an Explorer towing a 21 footer doesnt scare me too much.
 

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[B Don't believe me? Its happened to a friend pulling a 6 place snowmobile trailer (enclosed) loaded to the max with 6 guys/gear with a Chevy Tahoe. Ruined thier weekend! Its also illegal to pull without propper mirrors in MI, do they enforce it all the time? No, but would I want to get caught? No.
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That Tahoe was probably kicking and screaming pulling that load and looked the part bringing attention to it.

In reference to the mirrors, I havent noticed people using designated "towing mirrors" in about 2 decades? It seems so many stock vehicle mirrors are adaquite now and I notice some of the HD trucks mirrors pull out further for this reason.

Something to consider:

The OP has a 4.0L 4x4 Sport Trac. The 4.6L 4x4 Sport Trac has a 6990lb tow rating with the identical brakes and tow hitch. The 4.6L has a higher gear ratio of 3.55 so I would actually prefer the lower gear ratio of 3.73 in the 4.0L.

Therefore, it would seem that the limiting factor of this particular 2010 Ford Sport Trac is the 4.0L and tranny. That being said, the engine and tranny aren't going to be very happy, but it's a new truck, under warranty, and if it couldn't tow 5100 lbs then Ford wouldn't have rated it at that, and his warranty is still intact.

Fill up close to the ramp, don't put a lot of gear in the boat, and you'll be fine. Heck, even on a weekend trip with two overnight bags and a cooler, I bet I don't have much over 100 lbs of gear in the boat counting the anchor.
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That is my thought because it appears he has the Class 3 hardware, just the smaller engine. Having driven both the V6 and the v8 explorer, I'll say it's a night and day difference between the two engines however I feel the 4.0L is still adaquite, we've just been really spoiled this last decade with some really awesome tow vehicle engines!

I still think a Stingray (any model) needs to be weighed because this boat may very likely weigh less then everyone thinks. None the less, better to air on the side of caution for towing especially not knowing the kind of hills/ terrain this guy will be encountering.
 

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I still think a Stingray (any model) needs to be weighed because this boat may very likely weigh less then everyone thinks. None the less, better to air on the side of caution for towing especially not knowing the kind of hills/ terrain this guy will be encountering.

Yes, 3750 is a little on the porky side. The 225LR, identical boat only one foot longer, weighs in at 3370 dry and the 205LR is only 2891 dry with the same engine (5.0L). Not sure how the dealer got a weight est of 3750, but I think a better guess for a 215LR is 3200 unless it has 10 extra batteries and a bilge full of water. So a 205LR prepped with oil/lube,half a tank of gas, gear, sitting on a trailer should only weigh 4500, which leaves enough room for 4 bikini clad coeds and some baby oil.
 

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Safety wise it is more important to feel comfortable with what you drive. I have seen way to many duallies with their tires in my lane that never pull anything. Its cool to have one so every soccer-mom drives one to pick up their kids and scares the rest of the world to death. I have seen many people that I would trust pulling 15000 lbs with a half ton truck. I, like previously stated, have seen many more just driving big vehicles that are hazardous to public safety.
 

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Being safe with any tow vehicle is a matter of being used to and knowing how to drive any tow vehicle.
Just the same, a vehicle may tow one trailer just fine yet struggle with another much lighter trailer simply do to balance and tongue weight.
I used to have a 1999 Explorer 4.0 for a company car, I pulled a 19' boat with it in the mountains all the time, no big deal, the boat weighed in at under 3,000 lbs, and I rarely 'felt' the trailer behind me. It had no brakes, didn't come with brakes, it was new at the time, as was the truck. The truck felt 100% comfortable towing that boat and trailer and launched it just fine. I also had a 12' steel utility trailer, with 12" tires, which weighed under 800lbs, that same truck bucked and jerked all over towing that small trailer. Every last bump in the road gave the truck a jerk. The smaller tires and shorter wheelbase just pulled horrible. That same trailer pulled just fine behind my personal car, a 1988 Crown Victoria.
I hated to pull the utility trailer since I knew it meant a neck jerking ride the whole way. Yet the same truck pulled larger trailers just fine. I even once hauled a buddies boat down to the ramp to launch it, it weighed in at over 5500 lbs, I could feel that trailer but it never felt too big or out of control just running around town.

How well a vehicle does with a trailer often is just a matter of trying it, if it feels bad, find a bigger truck. No matter what kind of truck you have, if it takes leaving the thing in low gear to move it, it's too heavy.
Years ago I had an old Pinto wagon, with a bumper hitch on it, it was used as a shop car to run after parts, I hitched it to a smaller 16' enclosed trailer one day just to move it away from the door. I ended up taking it down the street to my other warehouse later that day, I was amazed at how well that car pulled that trailer. It stopped fine, didn't sag in the rear and pulled it without any struggle. While I wouldn't tow it any distance like that, I was amazed at how good it felt behind that small car. Yet behind my F150, that trailer felt like I was pulling a boat anchor. Sure the F150 would stop that trailer better but it strained and I had to keep it in lower gears to get it rolling comfortably.
That all just proved to me that you can't tell until you hitch it up and give it a try.

I currently own three trucks, and two cars. I use both my Ranger and my Dodge van for towing, as well as my new Grand Marquis. When it comes to my smaller boat, under 800lbs, the Grand Marquis wins hands down. It tows smooth, no bucking, no trailer hitching at all. While behind the truck, that same aluminum boat and small trailer bucks and jerks the whole way. The strangest thing is that that boat does little to affect the mileage of the Grand Marquis, yet it drops the mileage of my van from 15 mpg to about 11 mpg.
 

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Re: Is This Boat too Big for My Truck?

As to the tranny cooling thing, I put a derale pan on my trans and saw temps on my trans go down 15-20?. I thought the "turbulators" were so much snake oil but I needed a pan anyway, when I put a race built(billet input, output, etc) transmission behind my cummins. It was fairly cheap and came with a magnetic drain plug too. The turbulators are tubes braised into the pan that allows outside air to flow through, cooling the trans oil.

We stamp some of those type pans and assemble and e-coat.
Glad to see that they do what they are intended to.
 

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...and I'm willing to believe your one of them.

Yes they will pull over personal vehicles for little reasons, start investingating a bit and find out your illegal or over weight, and they'll yank your boat away with a tow truck. Don't believe me? Its happened to a friend pulling a 6 place snowmobile trailer (enclosed) loaded to the max with 6 guys/gear with a Chevy Tahoe. Ruined thier weekend! Its also illegal to pull without propper mirrors in MI, do they enforce it all the time? No, but would I want to get caught? No.

Ratings are numbers on paper, maximum numbers on paper. I can bench press 375lbs, but I don't do it all the time? Thats the same thing right?

They should get pulled over doing the above. No way stock Tahoe mirrors are going to see anything behind an 8.5' wide enclosed trailer. Loaded with six snowmobiles your looking at a 28 foot trailer. Probably 6000lbs of trailer and cargo weight.
No WDH, tail dragging the pavement, swaying side to side, etc.

P.S. this is the most detailed mirror requirement for Michigan:
"adjusted so that the operator shall have a clear view of the highway behind the commercial vehicle."
 

mxzeatr

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Holy crap, 375lbs! Remind me not to mess with mxzeatr! :D

It's all good, not sure why we all get worked up on the internet. I have my beliefs and stand by them, but arguing on the internet is just silly. You guys live your lives, and do what you have to do!

HAHAHA! I'm just a wee lil fella!

That Tahoe was probably kicking and screaming pulling that load and looked the part bringing attention to it.

In reference to the mirrors, I havent noticed people using designated "towing mirrors" in about 2 decades? It seems so many stock vehicle mirrors are adaquite now and I notice some of the HD trucks mirrors pull out further for this reason.

With the boat I can use my stock mirrors just fine.

But with an 8.5' wide sled trailer thats enclosed you need em. Just saying a narrow vehicle such as the one we are discussing in this thread would never see around a 20' boat with an 8' beam with stock mirrors.
 
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