Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

mcleaves

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

I think you missed my point. it has nothing to do with whether he took care of the boat. I am sure it was put through all scheduled maint and was polished with a diaper. But if something is not USED it goes to hell, and in some cases quick.

That said, you are probably fine with a boat this new, but don't get lulled into a false sense of security on a low hour boat that has been "maintained". Many things can only be "maintained by USING them. If not, gremlins will move in and they will show their head in short order. While not necessarily expensive to fix, it makes for a miserable boating experience when something stops working every other time you go out. It's just an issue that needs real consideration when convincing yourself a low hour boat is better.

Take a car that sits for a long time. Maybe the oil was changed every 2500 miles or 3 months rain or shine. But if if doesn't move and get USED you will be looking at new brakes from frozen calipers and pads wearing against the rusted rotors/drums. And if it stay on a lawn for a year you'll have worse under body damage from constant moisture than if you drove it everyday in snow and salt for 3 years. The bushings on the body mounts dry out and creak. The list goes on.

An engine that sits for a few months goes dry and unless you get oil primed into the cylinders before you fire it off you are killing the rings. Personally I think this is the source of MANY new (used) boat owners engine troubles after the first few outings. After a baot sat for 3 years you get "It ran beautiful for 3 weeks and then started smoking". The damage done from sitting without use happened the first time it was started. An no amount of scheduled maint is going to deal with this.

Ask me if I would buy a 10 hour boat that is 3 years old or a 100 hours boat that is the same age, I'd personally be more interested in the 100 hour boat, assuming the hours are spread out.

So scheduled maintenance isn't going to do anything for all the other stuff on a boat that goes to hell with lack of use. And I'd assert someone who doesn't have time to USE a boat surely doesn't have time to take care of it by running everything regularly.

You'll probably be fine just based on the age of the boat but if you use that reasoning on something much older you'll be replacing everything else. A boat consists of much more than an engine and drive, which is all the maint schedule is going to address

Anyone beside me ever seen a boat that sat on a trailer too long? Does pretty nasty stuff to the hull sometimes..

M
 

mtnrat

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

Well, I am confident the owner took good care of it. When I met the owner at his office I discovered he is the president of one of the largest banks in the US. This was his foray into boating and he just did not have the time to use the boat. I wondered how he had such a big home where I looked at the boat. He did not neglect the boat and had all appropriate maintenance done with records. That is a stark difference from some of the units I looked at. Some of those owners did not follow the maintenance schedule or just ignored it. In one case, a two year old Sea Ray I looked at was in unbelievably bad shape. Like you would purposfully have to beat it up to get it in that bad of shape. I also realized that so many folks have loans out on their newer boats that they really can't negotiate much at all.

I think you made a good buy. Keep a close watch on things to start and keep us posted :). Now .....engage..... Pics of the new vessel would be nice.
 

HrsBoating

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

Not that it matters but I am the guy selling the Four Winns that jkust was looking at.

Many people have shown interest in the boat but it having 240hrs seems to be a problem with everbody and I really don't understand why. The boat is in great shape, has had all the maintenance done and I have not had one problem.

I guess it is easy for me, because I know the type of hours that have been put on and that they have all been low speed cruising on a large lake. It's common for me to put on 5-8 hours each time I take the boat out, and I have never thought anything of it.

Everybody's comments above have been great, and actually make me feel that I am right in not worrying about 240hrs on the boat.

Maybe I'm just a bad salesman, but for now I still have a boat, it's still summer in Minnesota, and I am going to continue racking up the hours.

2004 Four Winns 180 Horizon
 

bruceb58

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

I would rather buy the boat with 240 hours than a boat with 100 hours that sat unused for 3 years. Hours aren't the only thing you need to look at. Proper maintenance is far more important.
 

mikeneal

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

I have nearly a thousand hours on my boat and compression is great, uses no oil. I think a heavily used boat has about 5% the problems of one that sits around. When I bought my boat it had 40 hours on it (was 4 yrs old) and I had a ton of small things from no usage. People do wear boat parts out by use, but it is very very rare, most damage is done by lack of use. The EFI Volvo setup is heads and shoulders better the carb mercruiser with alpha one IMHO. (I have owned both)
 
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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

Hey! My dad has a very similar boat... a 2005 Four Winns 190 with a 225HP 4.3L Volvo GXI and we love it. Our boat has just over 100 hours on it (but we do live in Canada = shorter boating season). I agree that the amount of hours on that Four Winns 180 is not a problem, and it can be brought to a Volvo dealer and they will look up exactly how it was driven. We brought our boat to the marina and they produced a graph of exactly how my dad drove our boat with respect to time, RPM's, speed, etc..

As mentioned numerous times above, I would not put to much stock in an hour meter. I know a guy who owns a Larson and he disconnected his hour meter for the longest time.

Also, the 4.3L is defiantly a must with a boat this size. The 3.0L will be too underpowered, especially with watersports or taking large loads in the boat.

I am sure the Chaparral you settled on is a beaut, but I defiantly love my dad's Four Winns 190 with a Volvo.
 

mrainey889

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

I like to use the car analogy, I know it is a bit flawed since the conditions and wear rates are probably a bit different but if you think about it, a car driving 50MPH for 250 hours is 12,500 miles, now would you worry about buy a car with that many miles. I will take a boat with higher hours over an older boat with really low hours any day, the ones that sit on a trailer baking in the sun their whole life are the ones you typically have problems with such as dried out and leaking seals and gaskets etc.

Personally, I completely agree with this analogy. I would rather buy a car that was 4yrs old with a 100,000miles on it than one that was 10yrs old with 10,000miles. Things rot from lack of maintanence, low useage, and age.

Just my two cents,
Mike
 

jkust

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Re: Is this too many hours on a boat to consider buying?

Well we took the Chaparral out for a week long vacation last week. I put it through its paces at all rpm levels with cruising, tubing and some wot. I discovered that I enjoy a slow cruise more than wot which is unusual for me. It performed flawlessly but it took a few minutes to figure out the warm up process with the carb engine the first launch. You can't just start it and instantly back away from the ramp like you could with a modern engine. It gets up and goes to 49mph which is not too bad when pushing 3700lbs wet and lightly loaded. It has massive torque and uses less fuel compared to the old 85hp engine I am used to and was generally a great time for the family. On another note my 2000 Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan towed it and launched/retrieved it with ease even on the steep ramps. It amazed me that just 205 lbs of torque yanks it out with just a little pedal up steep ramps assuming they are not very wet. I can see the virtues of 4 wheel drive on the one wet ramp I spun up looking silly though.

Thanks for all your input and it is good to hear from the Four Winns guy too. You have got to love the internet.
 
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