Just a thought

[robert graham]

Re: Just a thought

Only one problem with that statement, there is just as much crime during the day in most places as there is at night..

Well, all I'm trying to do is stay out of trouble, away from places that breed trouble and folks that are generating trouble, night or day. You know the old saying, "sleep with the dogs and you wake up with fleas!" We had a young guy got stabbed, beat-up, nearly killed downtown a while back at 2:15AM!....What business has he or anybody got downtown at that time of night unless you're a cop, a street cleaner or a drunk/hell-raiser/crook/whatever? I just don't want to be there. I guess a totally innocent person could somehow get pulled into trouble with the law but no reason to invite it. Most folks in jail today had been involved with shady, crooked people, places, business dealings, etc., and they ended up getting embroiled in something and got caught. My pot-head step-son has been in and out of jail his whole life and always had a knack for "being in the wrong place at the wrong time". Good Luck!

 

[ezmobee]

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I know exactly what you're saying robert. And I agree with you to a certain extent. My cousin's husband is currently in jail for something he may or may not have done (only one who knows for sure is him). I have said all along, at minimum, he's certainly guilty of involving himself with stuff he shouldn't have. I am sure there are people in jail right now innocent of their charged crimes. However, I do think the percentage of those that are otherwise law-abiding citizens is probably pretty small (I am aware this is pretty much a dumb opinion but it's my opinion nonetheless).

 

[bekosh]

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It is better to free ten guilty persons than to punish one innocent.

Just playing devils advocate here.
If you punish an innocent person, you have only harmed one person.
But if you let the ten guilty go free, how many more innocents will be harmed before they are finally stopped?

 

[rbh]

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Just playing devils advocate here.
If you punish an innocent person, you have only harmed one person.
But if you let the ten guilty go free, how many more innocents will be harmed before they are finally stopped?

what about the one innocent sentenced to death and carried out, I figure deaths forever, no parole!!

 

[fireman57]

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The biggest thing that I have noticed over the last few years is there is no longer guilty or innocent. It is guilty or not guilty and there is a big difference. Innocent means that you had nothing at all to do with it, didn't do it, couldn't have done it, and are completely exonerated. Not guilty means that they could not prove you did it but you are also not completely exonerated. There is always that cloud hanging over your reputation.

 

[Fishing Dude too]

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I was thinking of this to day.

Is it better to keep a innocent person in jail because they may be guilty or let a guilty person go who may be innocent?

Some of you may get what i am trying to say.

STOP THAT YOU'LL hurt yourself. As it stands now I will face this question as my civic duty tuesday. Will all depend on the evidence, so life is such, remember the more the lawyer cost the better the chance of freedom.

 

[Av8nBill]

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Well, bearing in mind that our justice system is imperfect, it's a good reason to do what you're supposed to do, be where you're supposed to be, keep out of places and situations where you could be wrongly accused or caught with folks who are outside the law and prosecuted with them. I've always said, there's very little good going on from 10:00PM to 6:00AM....best place is home in bed!(with your wife on one side and your shotgun on the other!

You know, that's something I really used to worry about when I was younger and single. You don't have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, you just have to not be able to prove you weren't.

I'd turn on the news and hear the description of the suspect; "white male, average height/weight, mid 20s, brown hair". Description fits me to a tee, I'd been home alone with no one to corroborate. What's to keep an angry ex-girl friend from calling in a tip? Or maybe I had been in that area on my way home from my overnight shift (we don't all work 9-5) and my vehicle fit a description too? There's a lot of blue Chevy pickups in this area.

There's no reason to assume that someone is guilty just because they were accused. I had that happen once in high school - hadn't done anything wrong but someone told officers at football game that my buddies and I had crawled under fence to get into game. They were preparing to haul us off when I asked them why would I crawl under fence when I can get in free with ASB card that we all had and showed them? They finally dropped it, but I think you can see how that sort of situation could get ugly pretty quick.

 

[drrpm]

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The biggest thing that I have noticed over the last few years is there is no longer guilty or innocent. It is guilty or not guilty and there is a big difference. Innocent means that you had nothing at all to do with it, didn't do it, couldn't have done it, and are completely exonerated. Not guilty means that they could prove you did it but you are also not completely exonerated. There is always that cloud hanging over your reputation.

In the U.S. it has always been guilty or not guilty. I believe that the U.K. has the additional category of not proved. The burden of proof needs to be high since the power and resources of the government greatly exceed those of the individual.

 

[puddle jumper]

Re: Just a thought

STOP THAT YOU'LL hurt yourself. As it stands now I will face this question as my civic duty tuesday. Will all depend on the evidence, so life is such, remember the more the lawyer cost the better the chance of freedom.

Wow what a thing to bring up seeing how it looks like you doing jury duty. I wonder if we (this thread) will have an impacted on how you view the case.

 

[NewfieDan]

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I agree somewhat with one on here has said. There are no guilty people in jail. Only those that have been convicted of a crime. I did work in a prison for a short period. Almost everyone in there said they were innocent. But they did admit they were convicted of the crime for which they were accused. It was always somebody else that actaully did the deed, but for "some reason" the ones in jail gt convicted.

Don't confuse this with the idea that jails are too easy. I believe they should be tougher on those inside. I think we should go back to manual labor for those going in. They should work for the priviledges they get. Work to get a few extra minutes on the phone, or a TV. Earn "money" on a credit system to buy things like smokes, or replace the things they have like certain clothing itmes. Teach them how the real word operates, by basically creating a miniature version inside.