Man vs. Boat (season 1).

chriscraft254

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Might start by getting the boat level in the cradle, can't hurt. Might think about making the engine box a little bigger than it use to be, I/O's can use all the room they can get, especially when trying to get to the starter and things low in the bilge.
 

jasoutside

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Might start by getting the boat level in the cradle, can't hurt.

I was thinking what cc254 was thinking ^^^

Also, somehow my key-hole is not directly centered in the transom piece... A little odd, but not too concerned about it unless you think I should be... Basically, one side of the engine mount is about an 1.5 inches closer to the transom board... You can sort of see it in the pic...

This has me head scratchin a little here. I know your keyhole is perfectly centered. So, is your transom board off maybe? If that's the case, seems like no biggie.

And engine mounts? I didn't think ya had any of those in there yet?? WhatdI miss?

Help me out bro, say more words about this part:)
 

bear_69cuda

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Brutha!

Not sure you need to worry about the boat being perfectly level... As oops says run the string line and take all the measurements from that...

Heck ya could just seal up that keyhole, and mount those two Yamaha F350's off the back! Just sayin! :D
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Level the top of gunwales port, starboard,bow and stern then use a straight pc, of pipe angle iron (whatever) across the top of gunwales and drop a plumbob or tape measure can't miss after that.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

string line the aft deck height.

then measure the distance from the hull to the string.

the deck is usually higher than the chine in the aft area.....so use the deck height as your measuring point.

normally you would measure inner chine to inner chine. and add or subtract for the deck.

there should still be some grinding indications of the old deck height.

if you have no indications left......use your past measurements as a starting point, and make a new deck height.

you will be close enough that it wont make a difference.

Thanks Oops... I still have the lip from the old deck, so I know I will have my deck height right... I just didn't want the stringers themselves to be kicked at an angle once the boat levels...

Might start by getting the boat level in the cradle, can't hurt. Might think about making the engine box a little bigger than it use to be, I/O's can use all the room they can get, especially when trying to get to the starter and things low in the bilge.

Agree with all the above.... the boat used to sit perfectly level in the cradles (until they fell apart and I had to rebuild them).... However, I think I can do some wiggling to level it back, which will help. If I can get the gunwales level, then I think I can do it bang on...

I was thinking what cc254 was thinking ^^^

This has me head scratchin a little here. I know your keyhole is perfectly centered. So, is your transom board off maybe? If that's the case, seems like no biggie.

And engine mounts? I didn't think ya had any of those in there yet?? WhatdI miss?

Help me out bro, say more words about this part:)

Sorry, misspoke there... No mounts yet, of course, those are just the engine mount stringers - the mounts will be built just to the inside of those stringers, which is why I jumbled my terminology... I think my transom board is a little a little off... I placed it in what I thought was the dead center, and even measured from the bow to each top corner as equi-distant... However, I think the key-hole is dead center, but the board is not (and I don't think it matters a ton, because I basically cut out the back of my boat and re-built it; further, if my transom board was a single piece like everyone else, this is not issue that would even be noticed... (again, someone catch me here if I am being too casual about this, before I put this baby back together and it wants to steer sideways...). I am starting to agree with EZ that i/o's are a huge pain in the ***...

Brutha!

Not sure you need to worry about the boat being perfectly level... As oops says run the string line and take all the measurements from that...

Heck ya could just seal up that keyhole, and mount those two Yamaha F350's off the back! Just sayin! :D

See above... thought has crossed my mind... If only I had more money, and I'm not a big fan of o/b brackets...(Just my opinion).

Level the top of gunwales port, starboard,bow and stern then use a straight pc, of pipe angle iron (whatever) across the top of gunwales and drop a plumbob or tape measure can't miss after that.

Perfect... that's what I am thinking... I think I have this figured out.... It just helps to talk out loud sometimes and think through it.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Try A digital level. Just use the same numbers.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hey hope we get an update....just looked in here...I have been off in never never land for the last 6 weeks. I would just try to get things as square and level or flat as you can. You will drive yourself nuts if you try to get it "level" or "square".........trust me I know! And at the end of the day its not a Saturn V rocket......once its on the water you will never know that it is slightly twisted or out of square....and I won't mention getting up in the middle of the night to go measure to make sure it is square :D
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Try A digital level. Just use the same numbers.

Thanks for the tip, Ed... appreciate you stopping by..

Hey hope we get an update....just looked in here...I have been off in never never land for the last 6 weeks. I would just try to get things as square and level or flat as you can. You will drive yourself nuts if you try to get it "level" or "square".........trust me I know! And at the end of the day its not a Saturn V rocket......once its on the water you will never know that it is slightly twisted or out of square....and I won't mention getting up in the middle of the night to go measure to make sure it is square :D

Hey, Arch... Good to hear from you... Hope you pick back up on the 'toon project soon... I spent most of the afternoon yesterday at the shop... Trying to lay-out, cut and measure stringers is sort of tough as a one-man job....

I will post some updates in the next couple of days... The good news is that my donor engine is in great shape... Had my guy look over it and the compression and oil pressure are both great.... Looks like I will get by with a carb re-build, a bellows job, and a new gimbal bearing, which is good news...
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hey guys:

Been awhile since I have posted video. Sort of over-loaded my hard drive with video clips and had to free up some space.. This is the video of the transom install... You guys have seen the end result in pics, but this will explain a little bit more.


I'll post up another video of me starting on the stringers either later tonight or tomorrow.

Have a good one.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

I'm pretty sure that your transom is about 50 times stronger than any other part of the boat :D. That air belt sander reminds me way to much of the dentist.....:mad: Hurry up by the way, summer is here in 6 weeks! Time to use that vacation time selflessly and spend it all on the boat! Your wife will completely understand.....:D
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

looks just great.

the problem with using the top of the gunwhales as a starting point for measurements.....is that a kid on the line with a sazall cut it.

the cuts are not perfect not are they equidistant from the hull.

it is the cap lip that make it look straight.....but you will notice that the actual cut will dip as much as 3.8the of an inch in places.

patrick......i would gelly coat the transom...

the reason why...is because you are gonna need to learn to finish gellcoat.
that is as good as a place to start as any. especially with the two color.

its not that hard.....and that air powered long board will make very quick work of it.

that whole back section is less than a day start to finish.

and....yes.......you are ready for stringers....you are now fully in re build mode.
the stringers are only one day......the deck is a day.

so 16 hours.....and you are at re assembly !!!!!!!!
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

And here is another one.... Of course, I have already learned from the initial post this evening (and oops follow up) that I need re-evaluate my methods... but, as I have said before, that's why I post these... No better way to prevent mistakes than to try and give you more experienced guys a heads up on what's going through this feeble brain of mine...

...And 16 hours (my A**)... maybe for you, but I'm a rookie fumbling my way through this....

... Also, Oops, gelcoat scares the carp out of me... I want to re-paint the whole boat anyway - there is some serious diaper rash and oxidation all over it and I don't want my re-built baby to look like Jasoutside in eighth grade with clearasil zit cream patches all over it...

Again, all feedback welcome... Thanks...

 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

You should probably sharpen your dowel into a point of sorts. Either like a #2 pencil or at least into a pointed wedge. A point will more accurately follow the contour of the hull. Otherwise the dowel & sharpie are GREAT!

Have a good week. Vid2 is forever to load:facepalm: #1 was good.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

You should probably sharpen your dowel into a point of sorts. Either like a #2 pencil or at least into a pointed wedge. A point will more accurately follow the contour of the hull. .

Already done, my friend...discovered very quickly that a pointed edge is not optional.

Thanks for stopping in.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

as far as motor mount height you are worrying for nothing.

you have the x dimention.....that is the standard for every boat out there....and your deadrise is standard.

the inside where the mounts go.....will still be an inch or two below the deck height....but about 4 ins off the hull.

there are several different types and sizes of isolators (the pin thingys your motor sits on in the front) is you are low....use tall ones....if you are high on the mount height....use low ones...

so sleep well.

as far as that little demonstration of glassing at the end of the vid.....
that is exactly how you do it.....rip the matt......that way you break the binders in the csm.....and the glass moves more freely.
that dabbing technique you used to wet out the glass on the edge and remove air......is how it is supposed to be done with csm.
if you use a painting motion, you will get air as the csm wants to stick to the brush as the bristles and the glass hairs become intertwined.
really good form too (form in application as in hand motion) lol

you might need someone to help hold the strings in place or another jig while you bed and tab them into place.

but you will find this to go very fast.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

by the way.......this is going text book fashion
 

jasoutside

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Wooogh, wait a minute! What just happened:eek::confused:

I was just standing here, minding my own business, eating a salad with lite dressing (ok nachos actually) and...
to look like Jasoutside in eighth grade with clearasil zit cream patches all over it...

KICKED, RIGHT IN THE JUNK:eek::eek:


(for the record, things started to clear up when I got to college:redface:)
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

I'm pretty sure that your transom is about 50 times stronger than any other part of the boat That air belt sander reminds me way to much of the dentist.....:mad: Hurry up by the way, summer is here in 6 weeks! Time to use that vacation time selflessly and spend it all on the boat! Your wife will completely understand.....

Always nice to have an architect's sign-off on issues of structural integrity... Yeah, the air sander is brutal... (sort of did that on purpose)... Unfortunately, being self-employed and having a big family, personal vacation time does not exist in my world...

by the way.......this is going text book fashion

Ward, thanks for taking the time to watch the vids and help me out... Appreciate all you have taught me and the affirmation.

Wooogh, wait a minute! What just happened:eek::confused:

I was just standing here, minding my own business, eating a salad with lite dressing (ok nachos actually) and...

KICKED, RIGHT IN THE JUNK:eek::eek:

(for the record, things started to clear up when I got to college:redface:)

Yeah, not sure what happened, there... Just typing along and then an impromptu jab snuck its way in there.... Glad the face cleared up for 'ya...
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Enjoyed watching the vids. Your work is looking great.
I like tearing the csm the way you did also. It works great on tight places.
Good seeing your moving past the transom.
I think OOP's must have at least 4 arms on him to be able to do the stringers and deck in 2 days. (LOL)

You sure did kick jasoutside in the JUNK :(

Keep the vids coming= more good work.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

I Like your scribe idea a lot! i wish i would have seen this a few weeks ago
 
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