Marine vs. Regular motor

Don S

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In a nutshell, cam, softplugs, circulation pump, gaskets, distributor, alternator, starter, fuel pump, carb.<br /><br />
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Eggkr8

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I was on SHIPSHAPE TV's website last week and noticed there is an upcoming episode about 'marinising' and engine. Should be interesting to watch<br /><br />Don, I can see why all the items you listed make sense except for the Cam? Do you know why that is marine specific?<br /><br />Regarding the carb, isn't it an automotive carb but has the marine gasket in it ? In other words, can ou take an automotive carb, rebuild it with the marine kit and all is good?<br /><br />cheers<br />e
 

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Don, you are the man !!! LOL
 

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Cam is to do with torque curve.in a car you have a multi-speed gearbox to keep the engine in 'narrow' rev band.in a boat you have a single reduction gearbox and a (usually) fixed pitch prop.you need the engine to have a very wide 'useable' range.Carb...most automotive carbs have the float bowl vented externally,usually to a fume canister.no fume canisters in boats,so the float cahmber has to be vented from within.also the accelerator pump volume is usually a bit higher.and the older ones had a tube for a fuel pump with a busted diaphram to flood out the engine and stop the pump from filling the sump (or worse, bilge) with gas.
 

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This duplicates a little...<br />From: George Van Parys, http://www.boatfix.com <br />
<br />SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AUTOMOTIVE & MARINE ENGINES<br /><br /><br />For those of us in the marine industry, a common occurrence is to be questioned by customers about auto vs. marine parts. A common scenario is to have a customer ask for a replacement part for his boat. The part in question is a starter for a 350 cu.in. GM block. You give the customer a price, and he looks at you with a blank look on his face. He, then states (very angrily) "I can get one at the local auto retailer for $29.95". <br /><br /><br />In the marine industry, this little scenario occurs all the time. Many boaters are unaware of the difference between an automotive and a marine engine and their respective accessories. The most notable differences include the exhaust systems, the cooling systems, the electrical systems, and the fuel systems. Additionally, items such as heads and cams are usually different. For the purpose of this article, we will only be hitting the highlights on select systems. <br /><br /><br />In regard to the cooling systems, one of the major differences is found in the water-circulating pump. This is especially noticable when you have a raw water cooled engine. Unlike their automotive counterpart, a marine pump works in an open cooling system. This type of system is extremely corrosive to the pump. Therefore, the pump must be altered for longevity. A marine pump has a special ceramic seal, stainless steel backing plate, and a bronze impeller to resist corrosion. An automotive style pump, with its stamped steel impeller, would fail due to corrosion in a short time.<br /><br /><br />The electrical systems in a marine application are also extremely specialized. In an automobile, any gasoline vapors that accumulate will readily dissipate through the bottom of the engine compartment. However, a boat with its sealed engine compartment, does not have that luxury. Therefore, any spark could literally cause a boat to explode. All electrical components in a boat are either completely sealed or specially vented to prevent such a catastrophe. This includes the starter, alternator, distributor, and many other engine electrical components. <br /><br /><br />Carburetors typically have what is known in the industry as J type fuel bowls. These allow for the extreme vibration, pitching and yawl experienced on boats. This allows fuel to be drawn in exteme conditions and keeps fuel from being ejected from the carburetor barrels.<br /><br /><br />Heads and cams are set up for a completly different torque curve. A marine engine must develop most of its torque on the low end of throttle range. This allows for the ability to use a single gear transmition system. Think of it this way:<br />You get in your car<br />Start it up<br />Drive to the highway<br />Put your foot to the floor and hold it there for an hour<br />Its a little different, well for most of us.<br /><br /><br />Although we have only briefly touched on some of the differences between an automotive and marine application; hopefully, it will serve to remind us that there is a difference, and that the reasons for these differences need to be shared with our customers and friends in the boating community. Hopefully, when shared, this information can eliminate some of the "blank stares" in regards to parts, and maybe prevent some dangerious situations. <br />
 

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Everything in a marine engine has to be designed to not cause a fire. In a car engine if there is a gas or an oil leak all the liquid and fumes are free to go out and pour on the ground, there is lot's of space and free air. In a boat the engine is confined in the hull, any gas or oil that leaks out is going to stay right there with the engine. A small spark from the starter could be all it takes to start a fire.
 

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if your replacing your marine motor like a 350 v-8 any good engine builder will build a "marine motor" for you for about the same price as a truck motor! the only difference is the cam and freeze plugs and head gaskets. you reuse all of your carbs,pumps,manifolds, ect. I have done this and dont believe marine mechanics. they just want the $5000 for a new engine. a good rebuild is @ $1200 for the engine- no labor. do it yourself it's easy to change the motor.
 

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chris<br />why do you feel that reuseing all the correct MARINE PARTS on a rebuilt block would cause a saftey problem <br /><br />in the states its how its done as long as no auto fuel or electric parts are used<br /><br />tommays
 

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why do you feel that reuseing all the correct MARINE PARTS on a rebuilt block would cause a saftey problem
I don't. The reply was in response to the reply saying only the cam , freeze plugs and head gaskets are different. i.e you can use car parts on the rest which is unsafe in my opinion and is why people like the coast guard specify different rules and regs for marine parts.
 

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The biggest problem I have found with an automotive mechanic doing the job, is they "Normally" don't know there is a difference between automotive and marine parts. And if they are doing the job of putting everything together, they won't know what should be different.<br />If the engine is freshwater cooled or is run only in fresh water, standard head gaskets, water pumps, freeze plugs would be fine, and no problem would be noticed. <br />This isn't a "Fire" hazard mind you, but if they are putting all the pumps, carbs, ignition systems, manifolds etc. on for someone and they don't know there is a difference between automotive and marine, THEN, you have a problem and a safety issue.<br />The problem is not that an automotive mechanic doesn't have the skills to put together a marine engine....he does. The problem is that he does't know there is any differences between automotive and marine. That's the danger.
 

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Of coarse you have the occasional circumstance like mine, you can't find "marine" headgaskets for my engine... I used the best Fel-Pro.<br /><br />I'm in freshwater, so it shouldn't be an isssue.
 

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Originally posted by Chris Myers:<br />I don't. The reply was in response to the reply saying only the cam , freeze plugs and head gaskets are different. i.e you can use car parts on the rest which is unsafe in my opinion and is why people like the coast guard specify different rules and regs for marine parts. [/QB]
The guy's first post already addressed that. You bashed him before you finished reading his post:<br /><br />
Originally posted by poi9jkl:<br /> the only difference is the cam and freeze plugs and head gaskets. you reuse all of your carbs,pumps,manifolds, ect. I have done this and dont believe marine mechanics.
My take is he is saying the only difference in the BLOCK is the cam, etc, etc, and you REUSE all of your 'marine' carbs, pumps, manifolds, etc.<br /><br />We are on a message board and many things are imlpied by comment writers that sometimes aren't picked up on by readers. Just a misunderstanding...
 

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so far as the cam is concerned... There is some difference in the torque curve, but the difference really lies in the valve "overlap". The amount of time (in degrees) that the intake & exhaust are open at the same time. <br /><br />Now if you have been paying attention...<br />Automotive engines "usually" never run a wet exhaust. Boats... "usually" do run wet exhaust.<br />The differtence, albeit small, is the difference between a running engine, & one that reverses water back into the comustion chamber.<br /><br />"freeze" plugs, are a different material to keep from corroding a hole... ( read: "sacrificial anode" )
 

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PS....... KUDOS go to DON S for his last post...<br />Right on the money!
 

cmyers_uk

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Apologise , clearly not having a good day :( Still theres always tomorrow to make amends!
 

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Why is this debated so many times when there is so much information on this subject in the archives here. <br /> If we are just talking about the motor (from the intake to the oil pan) with no bolt on parts the only difference is the brass freeze plugs and cam spec’s. You can use a auto cam or any cam you want (there is no such thing as a “marine cam”, they are just cut for marine use) as long it is cut to what you need or the way you run. I use a Crain Powermax duel plain cam (hot rod cam) because it was the spec’s I needed. Some here are against the use of aluminum intakes (also from the auto world). I have used them for years with no problems and I run in salt water. Besides that everything else inside the block and heads are straight off the shelf auto parts. <br /> As for the other stuff. Anything electrical must be marine (starter, alt, etc). Fuel pump, marine for reasons stated above. The carb, it has “J” tube vents that dumps fuel down the carb instead of letting it spill over the sides if it ever flooded so again it must be marine (gaskets inside are the same auto or marine carb). Then of course the cooling system and exhaust I am sure you already know they must be marine. Wouldn't work long any other way. <br /> I also never believed that you must use SS head gaskets. Like above I have used Fel-Pro for years with no problems. I have also taken these motors apart after hard use (and some brakeage) and never saw any deterioration to the head gasket. <br /> One last thing is that all my motors have started there marine life as truck (for some reason mostly vans) motor from the local junk yard. I first take it apart to find out if there was any over sizes and take it to the machine shop to be cleaned up. Go to Northern auto parts (.com) and get a mater kit. Put the motor together and run it. The boat over there <<<< currently has a Mopar 360ci with 330 HP. You wont get that kind of HP at a Mercruiser parts shop and if you could it would cost you 10 times more for that mercruiser stamp on the same parts.
 

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Agree Rabidfish....Don S is EXACTLY correct. I have rebuilt/swapped out a few with the help of a friend who has a good shop. He is one of the best race car mechanics around...knows small block chevys inside out...and will cause more problems on a boat than he cures. He just doesn't know anything about boats or what is required of a marine engine.<br /><br />Keep your car mechanic friends away from your boat's engine & you will both be happier.
 
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