Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

First advice....find a new mechanic. If he/she can't do a basic troubleshoot on this motor, move on.
There is not much sence in giving you advice on what to try, if your just going to pass this info on to a mechanic. Go to the marina/repairshops, and look for a mech who is in his 50's at least, have that one look at the motor.
Just tell him the problem, and that the carbs were rebuilt. thats all, ask him what he thinks should be done, if he say's well we can replace this......move on, however if he say's I think its the electrical, but I'll have to test it out, pick him, at least he will troubleshoot it, not FRB (field block replacement, in other words put parts in till it runs, then give you a big bill).

That's a great point. My trouble is where the boat is located mechanics are one every 60 miles. No joke...

Here's a side question... also on a Johnson, but a different motor. Could an ignition coil or whatever it may be get burned out not knowingly the engine was tried to start for approximately 20 minutes with a plug wire disconnected? What damage could this cause?

 

[d.boat]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

I honestly don't know what the mechanic has tried on this thing. ....

Well, ask him. I won't be of much help to you, but I do know that there's a lot of people here who can be very helpful, but unless you find out the info they need, there's no point in trying to second guess the guy you hired.

 

[bigpoppakdog]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

I know with my 1970 115 evinrude, the stator's purpose is to recharge the battery. Not sure though about 1971 johnson.

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

I know with my 1970 115 evinrude, the stator's purpose is to recharge the battery. Not sure though about 1971 johnson.

That's what I read about mine too, so really should have no bearing on it planing out or not. It sounds like it's missing spark to me too. What's confusing to me is there were never any problems with 'spark' prior to the carb rebuild.

If compression is good, what are possibilities of bad spark to 1 cylinder?

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Well, ask him. I won't be of much help to you, but I do know that there's a lot of people here who can be very helpful, but unless you find out the info they need, there's no point in trying to second guess the guy you hired.

So basically here is where its at-

Now starting fine and neutraling and going into gear without stalling. But not running well or planing out, almost like a cylinder isn't responding well. Both good compression. He's not sure. I asked him what it could be, any ideas and he said it could be a million things. That's where I'm at. I know nothing about motors, but I want to take a look at the engine myself.

 

[jonesg]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Pay the mechanic bill and get it out of there.

Heres what most of us do in the engine forums.
Buy the service book, the real factory book.
www.outboardbooks.com

Go to the auto store and buy a $30 compression guage.
A $12 adjustable spark tester.

Take compression and write it down in the manual,
do a spark test with tester gap set to 3/8th inch gap.
You can't test the spark with a sparkplug on outboards.

Once you do those tests we'll know.
Don't assume the carb job was done correctly.
He isn't a real mechanic.

We will help you get it right.
I'm a chef and if I can do it, even a teacher can.

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Pay the mechanic bill and get it out of there.

Heres what most of us do in the engine forums.
Buy the service book, the real factory book.
www.outboardbooks.com

Go to the auto store and buy a $30 compression guage.
A $12 adjustable spark tester.

Take compression and write it down in the manual,
do a spark test with tester gap set to 3/8th inch gap.
You can't test the spark with a sparkplug on outboards.

Once you do those tests we'll know.
Don't assume the carb job was done correctly.
He isn't a real mechanic.

We will help you get it right.
I'm a chef and if I can do it, even a teacher can.

Terrific post, thanks for the response. I'm going to call and see what the status is after he looks at it again. The problem is I already owe x amount from the carb rebuild and hate to take it with a non functional motor. Did I mention this was my first boat back into boating in many years? Ughhh.... quite the nightmare as nightmares for boat engines go.

 

[jonesg]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

You could have rebuilt the carbs for $45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5cxBMDezuU&feature=related

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

You could have rebuilt the carbs for $45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5cxBMDezuU&feature=related

I saw that.

 

[killingtime]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

If the boat would get get on plane before the carb job and he did nothing else he should have done a link and sink after. if he didnt he may have over looked a bushing that fell out or broke on the linkage. Now when your at WOT your actualy not or only one carb is. Just an Idea if no one else suggested.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Well, it was running at full throttle and planing fine. He did a compression test before the carb rebuild. It was great I guess!? I'm so lost on this... about a phone call away from telling him to scrap it all, pay what we owe, and start from square one on rejoining boating after 15 years.

well IF... IF this is correct, then it still has to be a carb issue...

if a motor runs well at top end and planes the boat out...before a carb rebuild, then it doesnt AFTER the carb rebuild..

I gotta think it is still a carb issue..spark is a basic test...the mechanic has to have at least checked it...it is MORE basic than a compression check..and is the easiest test there is..

the problem with this post happens all the time, here...the motor is one place and the OP is another...the OP will ask questions and repliers will suggest and ask a question, tbut the questions never get answered...BUT the OP still is frustrated.. and asks more and more questions himself WITOUT giving any answers to the questions of the repliers.

you cant guess...the answers have to be postive and factual...working out outboard motor problems isnt rocket science and it basic step by step...

99% of all problems have occure a thousands times already and the corrective measures are established..

it just has to be methodical, say what is happening, reply with answers from the readers, and go step by step..

if the motor is 60 miles away and the OP only sees it once a week...it may take a while to solve the problem!!


PS, I dont think walking into a marina and picking out a mechanic based on questions asked is probable..

many times there is ONLY one mechanic, and he isnt gonna put up with a quiz on his skills....and probably only has time to ask a few pertinent questions as to what the customer is having issues with..after that, the mechanic can usually find the problem himself.

good luck

bob

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Thanks guys. Yes, definitely frustrating. My dilemma is really tough too. The boat is 212 miles from my house. Yup, bought it near my folks place and planned to trailer it home. Took it to the local shop for a 'quick repair', been there ever since. Going on a full month of sitting.

I am a mechanic moron, but am tempted to pick up the boat and work on it myself with a manual and your help here. I could use videos, etc.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

what is the mechanic telling you???

that you will have to spend more money for him to check further??

I dont understand why he doesnt just make it run right?

now i understand if you are saying...dont chrage me any more.. and he is trying to GUESS whats wrong with out spending time on it...because he isnt in the business of doing it for free!!

so what is it?

any mechainic i ever took a motor to...took my motor with my explaination of whats going wrong.. they looked it over and figured what the issue was and told me about what it would cost..I said go ahead...any new issues that came up, they would solve and or call me back and say, we found this X problem.. we fixed it, or...it will cost Z to fix....what you wanna do?

I cant imagine a mechanic that says... i dont know whats wrong??

but good luck


bob

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

what is the mechanic telling you???

that you will have to spend more money for him to check further??

I dont understand why he doesnt just make it run right?

now i understand if you are saying...dont chrage me any more.. and he is trying to GUESS whats wrong with out spending time on it...because he isnt in the business of doing it for free!!

so what is it?

any mechainic i ever took a motor to...took my motor with my explaination of whats going wrong.. they looked it over and figured what the issue was and told me about what it would cost..I said go ahead...any new issues that came up, they would solve and or call me back and say, we found this X problem.. we fixed it, or...it will cost Z to fix....what you wanna do?

I cant imagine a mechanic that says... i dont know whats wrong??

but good luck


bob

Thanks Bob. No, I said lets get this fixed, albeit don't want to drop a fortune into it I told him. My folks live close to the Marina and see it sitting outside. He said he's 'busy'. When I asked him last time what could it be, he said he could guess at a million things.

I talked to him last time a week ago. He said work with me on time. Should I call back maybe one week again, which will be tomorrow and say 'when can you look at it again?' Then say I need to pick it up at 'this date' one way or another. Maybe I could fix it.

 

[1961_lonestar_holiday]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

i bet he messed up one of the carbs. this mech sounds like a clown.........

 

[jonesg]

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For marine mechanics this is like xmas time for retailers, they have to make hay whilst the sun shines and you aren't a big$ customer.
You might be at the back of a long line of people who aren't telling him "I don't want to spend a lot of money on this".

 

[1961_lonestar_holiday]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

maybe find a buddy that knows enough about engines to test the "basics" then go from there.

 

[d.boat]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Bring it home, find a local mechanic or get a OEM service manual and dig in. Be done with it. You're just going in circles now and accomplishing nothing.

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

Bring it home, find a local mechanic or get a OEM service manual and dig in. Be done with it. You're just going in circles now and accomplishing nothing.

You know what, you're absolutely right. I'm talking to him tomorrow and letting him know we're picking it up in a week. Fix it if you can, if not we're taking it to another mechanic.

Is there anywhere on this forum where I can ask the question regarding location of a good mid-Michigan mechanic?

 

[Ki Ki]

Re: Mechanic rebuilt carbs after stalling in gear, now runs but won't plane out.

So, this is really a dumb question-

It came with a 1971 Evinrude Service Manual. I think the motor is a 72 Johnson (50 anniversary engine). Will this Evinrude manual work, as they're the 'same' company?