Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

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Please help, i have replaced the plugs, leads, distributer cap and rotor. Still no spark.<br /><br />Where should I go from here?<br /><br />Its a 115 straight 6???
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

step one, get a manual for the motor.<br />step two, check your mercury switch.. this is the blue looking thing on the distributor side of the power pack... it stops the engine from being started acidentally if the motor is tilted up, hence the angle of the switch<br /><br />check your power pack, on the OTHER side, where the red and whit wires are. you should have 12 volts to both when the key switch is on... check these first, since they are the easiest, and get back...
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Thankyou so much for taking the time to reply Mike, you are indeed a gentleman!<br /><br />(1) Ok, I now have the manual. (Solec)<br /><br />(2) I checked the mercury switch which apeared to either connect to (-)earth in the on position. My engine is fully trimmed down and it is earthed.<br /><br />(3) There were 4 colours on the power pack(is this the switch box?) two of which were red and white. If i hold the multimeter onto red to white i get 12v. If i hold red to (-)earth i get 12v and if i hold white to (-)earth i get something like 1.42v.<br /><br />I really hope that this helps you, to help me ;o)<br /><br />Many Thanks again Mike<br /><br />Stan
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

what i meant....<br /><br />disconnect the mercury switch altogether! <br /><br />when key is ON , connect POSOTIVE lead of multimeter to the red wire at switchbox/powerpack, and black lead to ground, you should see 12 volts. do the same with the white wire at the switchbox....<br /><br />there is also a test to check the switchbox...<br />check this link.... web page
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

right, ive tried that when the key switch is on and i get 12.89v on the red terminal but only 1.4 volts on the white. Could this be my problem?
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

You need to be measuring between the white wire and ground. If you're not getting the same as at the red wire then the key switch (or a wire in the harness) in at fault.<br /><br />Chris.........
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Hmmm, we could be really getting somewhere now Chris. So does the key switch connect red to the white when in the on position. If that is the case then could I simply bridge that connection via the switchbox to test it?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Stan
 

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The Red is connected to the battery all the time. The white gets connected to the battery when you turn the key to "ON". If you put a jumper from red to white and the engine starts, don't turn the key "OFF". Pull the jumper wire off (stopping the motor) then, and only then, turn the key "OFF". And you've found the problem
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<br /><br />Chris.............
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Darnit, I wont get to try this until tomorrow, and im just about as excited at that little emoticon above! If this works i'll be doing backflips!<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Stan
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

let us know, sadly, we are just as excited as you!
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

ok guys, i bridged it. And, And.....And.... It didn't work? I gave it the nice 12v it was looking for and still nothing. No spark! What now guys?
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

I must admit, when i was told that my keyswitch was faulty I was very pleased cause it seemed to me to be the only reasonable solution to the engine not starting. When it didn't start I was gutted! :'o(<br /><br />Any instructions on what to do next would be great! Please make any instructions in "for dummies" format as I struggle sometimes but im learning fast! <br /><br />You guys have been a great help so far. Please dont give up on me.....lol<br /><br />Help me get this baby running....<br /><br />P.S. I was looking at my rotor and it looked strange to me. Should the part of the rotor that touches the contacts inside the Distributor Cap be "c" shaped?<br /><br />Stan
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Stan,<br /><br />Now we have to test a few things. First of all we'll disconnect the 'mercury switch'. No, this isn't a switch developed by Mercury. It has mercury inside it and when the engine is tilted up too far it'll shutdown the ignition system. So, disconnect it and check for spark. Oh, forgot to tell you where it lives, sorry. You'll probably find it bolted to the side of the engine block somewhere (my memory is a bit dim at times, been a few years since I spannered one of these engines), but, it does have a wire running to the switch box, brown one. So, go to the left hand side of the switch box and you'll see 3 terminals, black, white and brown. The brown should have 2 wires on it. One goes to the dissy (with the black and the white) and the other goes to the mercury switch. Remove this wire and check for spark. No spark? Now we move to test the switch box. Now listen carefully 'cause it's easy to get this bit wrong, and I don't want you asking me to explain it again. ;) <br /><br />With a multimeter perform the following checks.<br />1. Connect the red lead (of the multimeter (MM)) to the white terminal on the 4 terminal side of the switchbox, and the black lead of the MM to engine ground. <br />2. Turn the igition key 'ON" and you should see 12 volts. If not, key is faulty.<br />3. Move red lead of MM to the brown terminal (still with the mercury switch disconnected) on the 3 terminal side of the switchbox. With the Key 'ON' you should read 12 volts again. If not, the switchbox is faulty.<br /><br />The rest of the tests require a thing called a "Direct Voltage Adapter", which I doubt you have.<br /><br />You could try a resistance check on the ignition coil. Remove the green wire from the switchbox and measure the resistance of the coil primary to ground. It should read just a few ohms. The secondary side of the coil can vary from a few hundred ohms to a few thousand. If you have a complete open circuit that could also be your problem. <br /><br />Best I can do 'over the phone' Stan.<br /><br />Chris.............
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

dont feel bad, achris, i like your tone very much , mate !!!
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Sorry about the other thread guys, I really really appreciate the help. I just thought that maybe it had been missed, you guys were so quick to give me an answer the first time round that I was spoiled :eek:p I'll exercise more patience next time. Just so darn anxious to get the motor running.<br /><br />I really hope I never offended anyone, if I did please accept my sincere apologies.<br /><br />Thanks again for all the help.<br /><br />I'll go try these tests and get back.
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

No offence taken. :cool: , but we have written your name down.....<br /><br />How did you go with the check?<br /><br />Chris............
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

do you have a manual yet....?<br /><br />i am taking this straight from my manual....i hope you have a multi meter...your gonna need it<br /><br />how to test the coil, ign coil that is...<br />1.remove + and - leads at coil terminals.<br />2.remove high tension lead from coil tower, it unscrews from the distributor.<br />3.connect MM test leads between coil + and - terminals. shuld read .01-.02 ohms... very, very litlle resistance.<br />4.connect MM leads between coil high tension lead and the coils - terminal, should have NO CONTINUITY. do the sam with HIGH tension lead and coils + terminal.<br />5.connect MM leads to coil HIGH tension lead and a good engine ground... should read 75- 73 ohms<br /><br />if any of these fail, check your engine ground, and check that the coil is grounded properly and retest, if it still fails, get a new coil
 

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Re: Merc 115 1974 serial 3272927(no spark!!!)

Originally posted by achris:<br /> <br />With a multimeter perform the following checks.<br />1. Connect the red lead (of the multimeter (MM)) to the white terminal on the 4 terminal side of the switchbox, and the black lead of the MM to engine ground. <br />2. Turn the igition key 'ON" and you should see 12 volts. If not, key is faulty.<br />3. Move red lead of MM to the brown terminal (still with the mercury switch disconnected) on the 3 terminal side of the switchbox. With the Key 'ON' you should read 12 volts again. If not, the switchbox is faulty.<br /><br />The rest of the tests require a thing called a "Direct Voltage Adapter", which I doubt you have.<br /><br />You could try a resistance check on the ignition coil. Remove the green wire from the switchbox and measure the resistance of the coil primary to ground. It should read just a few ohms. The secondary side of the coil can vary from a few hundred ohms to a few thousand. If you have a complete open circuit that could also be your problem.
Ok, test 1, passed.<br />test 2, passed.<br />test 3, passed!!<br /><br />Tried resistance check-<br /><br />Green wire removed from switchbox, tested green wire to ground, reading 00.4<br /><br />I then measured from the king lead to ground(whilst connected to coil) reading 323.0<br /><br />Does this mean that my coil and switchbox is ok?<br /><br />I also tried the test that Chris 1956 gave me on my naughty thread http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=29;t=013507 <br /><br />Everything went ok, i got voltage where i needed voltage and followed instructions exactly. If i was supposed to see a spark from the coil...then it didn't happen. I think im supposed to suspect the "trigger".<br /><br />What exactly is the trigger.<br /><br />Many Thanks<br /><br />Stan
 
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