Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

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OK here are the grimey details, been lurking for a while but only registered recently

1974 StarCraft 18' Holiday
140 Merc Serial #3695114 Code on block by distributor M0201EAF
Compression 140, 140, 135, 140
Oil Pressure 60 psi at idle and rises when you get on the throttle
Runs really well
Already converted to Pertronix

I just bought it from a guy who discounted it $$$ because it was making noise and he wasn't sure if it needed a new engine or not, I figured after listening to it that it wasn't rod or bearing related. I have not run this boat in the water yet, I wanna get some faith in that it won't leave me stranded.

The engine had what I can only explain as a knock thoughout the entire RPM range, not a deep crank knock and I couldn't make it go away with any type of throttle movement, pulling spark plugs one cylinder at a time didn't really do anything. I was banking on lifter.

Because I wanted a good foundation I put new cap and rotor, new plugs and set the timing to 6 BTDC at approx. 650 rpm on muffs. More fine tuning to be done when on the water.

I re adjusted the valves but marginal improvement.

I pulled the lifters and found one that was mismatched, much lower plunger height on #4 hole. I also found one pushrod that looks like it had been replaced on #3 hole. I disassembled all the lifters looking for any buildup but they came apart smooth, they looked great. I was doubtful that with the adjustable rockers that the mismatched lifter would have made much difference but since I had already bought the new lifters I'd go through the hassle of breaking in the new lifters just so I had all my bases covered.

Well beat me loud.......the knock is gone now at idle.

BUT I got more noises to track down, worst of which sounds like loose sheetmetal/ top end rattle at 2000-3000 rpm range, it was getting dark so I didn't have any time to do some serious looking.

Timing gears do sound a bit noisy but I hear that's to be expected!

I've read a ton of the archived posts and tidbits here and there sound promising but the info is incomplete

Questions:

1.)Will a mechanical fuel pump from this era, powered off the cam with a lever arm and NO pushrod Cause a knock or a rattle?

2.)Will the exhaust flapper make a LOUD sheetmetal rattle, this is not an intermittent sound, when the RPMs start climbing its pretty constant, and if you blip the throttle it rattles on deceleration too. Almost worse

3.) I haven't checked the starter or flywheel yet and wanna leave the stuff that requires upsetting the engine alignment until the end.

4.) Anything I might be overlooking

Hopefully Ill be able to run it tomorrow in the water, weather permitting, perhaps under load in the water it might change its tune

Thanks and sorry for a lengthy first post
 
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Chef Shawn

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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

Exhaust flappers, no. Mech fuel pump, no. Put it into gear, do you have to same noises?
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

haven't tried engaging the outdrive since I replaced the lifters, Ill give it a try tomorrow,

What is it gonna tell us if it does or doesn't make the noise
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

When I set my valves I used zero lash plus 3/4..... any chance that this wasn't enough and I'm getting some valve noise. Looking online valve specs vary like underwear and some people say 1/4 turn and some say 1 full turn and anywhere inbetween???
 

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Lifter adjustment, by the book, for your engine is zero lash plus 3/4 turn, as you've done. However, you will read in different places 1 turn down from zero lash. Personally, I don't see much difference between 4/3 and 1... The stud has a UNF thread at around 20 tpi, so 1 turn would be 1/20 of an inch, and a 1/4 of that an 1/80", which is about 12.5 thou... If that makes so much difference, the lifter's shot anyway....

One more source of the noise could be a loose lower flywheel cover, below the rear main seal... If that's missing a screw or 2, then it may rattle with a harmonic...

Chris.......
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

check starter

wedge pry bar between starter and block

when engine is at the rpm which causes noise

safest to do in NEUTRAL

another possibility is flywheel cover plate
 

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Thats my guess, cracked flywheel dust cover.
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

I think im chasing multiple noises. One noise sounds like back of motor/flywheel area but can't see any issues yet. I did tighten the starter support to the block and it did help a certain vibration but nothing else.

Took the valve cover off and ran the stethoscope over the rocker arms, #2 hole has a different sound on the intake valve than the others.

Adjusted timing from 0 to 4 degree's , long story why I had it on 0.....When I got to 4 degree's a knock started at idle which seemed to go away a little when the engine got warmer. I started to stethoscope the motor more and found that if I remove(engine warm and quiet ish idle, idle is quieter at 0 degrees fyi)
#1 removed plug wire no nasty sounds
#2 Removed plug wire created a good Knock which is heard through the stethoscope in the oil pan area
#3 Same as #2
#4 Same as #1 no affect on noise

Now normally rod or main beardings go away when plugs are pulled

What the heck could make a noise show up when you pull plug wires????
Thanks

I'm trying to post video
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

Also there is a 1972 date stamp on the block, just above the made in Mexico stamp....boats a 1974 as per the HIN on the boat! What are the chances this engine and boat don't belong together?

What was the first year for the 140 merc, most reman listings start at 1975? But read lots of posts with 140's prior to that!!
 
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haven't tried engaging the outdrive since I replaced the lifters, Ill give it a try tomorrow,

Have you tried this yet and was there any change?

What the heck could make a noise show up when you pull plug wires????

Something is loose and when the plug is pulled more vibration is induced causing it to increase. Wonder if the sump is loose?

May want to try runnning the egine with the drive off.
 
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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

anyone think there's enough room to drop the oil pan and change the rod bearings with the engine in the boat?


I'm really surprised that it didn't do it the other day when I pulled the plug wires off, there was no sound change then, now there is and the only thing I've done since then is

Change lifters
Set valves
Put 30 weight in to break in lifters, new filter
Break in new lifters
Drain oil
Refill oil with 25w40 premium blend sierra oil
AC delco oil filter PF454
 
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I've been looking at your video and something doesn't look right, why I don't know, but humor me. Did you swap cyl 4 and 2 plug wires on the distributor?

Firing order should be 1-3-4-2
 
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Firing order is correct I have the wires labled 1234 so I can remember which cylinder they go on, It starts and runs too nice for a messed up firing order too,
 

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Not enough room tried it.... If you pull the front mount and lift it I bit you might clear... If you havessomething strong enough just pull the motor. Have done it a few times using a wrecker takes about 30 min to disconnect and lift out.
 

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Not enough room tried it.... If you pull the front mount and lift it I bit you might clear... If you havessomething strong enough just pull the motor. Have done it a few times using a wrecker takes about 30 min to disconnect and lift out.

If you decide to lift the front of the engine, you MUST remove the drive first. If you don't you'll destroy the engine coupler... And you also MUST check/adjust the engine alignment when you're finish (before you re-install the drive)...

Chris.......
 

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Re: Merc 140, Wanna Join the witch hunt?

Thought he said it was already off.... But definitely take this advise ^^^^^^^^^
 
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If it comes down to having to take the drive off and lift the motor then I'll just pull the damn thing out and pull it apart. The pipe dream of doing it in the boat was to avoid all those other headaches!!
 
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