Mercury oil filter

[fastredvette]

Hello, I have an 88 omc 350 260 hp. Took boat to dealer in the spring of this year to have boat serviced. Put boat in water and took for a ride 20 min. later lost rpms and motor quit oil everywhere. Took filter off and gasket was overlaped. Did not have two gaskets on. Question is is dealer at fault? Should they pay for new engine?

 

[Don S]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Got a picture so we can see what "Overlap" is?

 

[fastredvette]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Got a picture just have to see about how to post it.

 

[Don S]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Look at the top three posts in this forum.

http://forums.iboats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32

 

[a70eliminator]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Sounds like the rubber gasket bunched or sqeezed out from overtightening, gives a bad wrap to service techs, it happens at those quickie lube automotive places but would think marinas to be more competent.

 

[fastredvette]

Re: Mercury oil filter

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae341/randy16365/pic099.jpg?t=1254671710


Hope that will work

 

[fastredvette]

Re: Mercury oil filter

oil pressure runs about 40 psi

 

[Don S]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Kind of hard to tell anything at that angle and closeness, but it looks more like it blew out than installed wrong.
If it was installed that way, it would have leaked immediatly on test run. Even if the tech didn't test run it, when you started it at the dock the oil would have pumped out immediatly and you would have lost oil pressure quickly. Then, when the oil pressure dropped too low, the lifters would have started rattling, before any damage to the engine.
You never mentioned that it was hard to remove the filter, so I highly doubt it was overtightened. Not tightened enough would be my first thought.
The fact that it ran for 20 minutes and you showed 40 psi of oil pressure, makes it sound like it worked for a while.

 

[fastredvette]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Thanks for your input. I didnt think it was over tight but thats what I was told maybe happened. Sounds more like it not tight enough.

 

[Don S]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Well, when you took the filter off, was it hard to get off? Did you need a filter wrench, LOTS of force or anything odd? Did it come off with just a twist of the wrist?

 

[Apollo75]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Hello, I have an 88 omc 350 260 hp. Took boat to dealer in the spring of this year to have boat serviced. Put boat in water and took for a ride 20 min. later lost rpms and motor quit oil everywhere. Took filter off and gasket was overlaped. Did not have two gaskets on. Question is is dealer at fault? Should they pay for new engine?

Spring ? Well, it is a little late now. Did you let them know straight away ?

Yes, they are at fault. It is a part of doing business. They should have reimbursed you for your new filter and oil and cleaned your boat up from the oil spill.

And they should feel lucky you did not bring them back an anchor.

If it was one of my tech's your boat would have gone to the detail shop and I would have put you on the Christmas card list.

OFM

 

[Don S]

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Yes, they are at fault. It is a part of doing business.

How can you possibly say that without seeing or hearing both sides?
Even the worst judge won't convict someone on what has been said in this thread.
1 blurry picture and the word from one side about what happened in the spring from someone that came to this forum and on his first post wants to know who to blame.
He should blame himself for not looking at his gauges, or opening the engine cover and checking the oil and seeing the state of things, and not listening to noises the engine makes when it's getting low on oil.
All a lot of you want to do is find someone to blame because you made a mistake....... Get a grip.

 

[nrob84]

Re: Mercury oil filter

wow don i couldnt have said it any better myself, ive been in the automotive business for a while now and as you said, all people want to do is blame someone else, what about those guages, warning lights, noises, and knowledge people should have about how to read and understand what there boat is telling them... and when to shut things down and seek a tow in to avoid further damage that will be YOUR fault for running an engine after you know something isnt right....

 

[Apollo75]

Re: Mercury oil filter

How can you possibly say that without seeing or hearing both sides?
Even the worst judge won't convict someone on what has been said in this thread.
1 blurry picture and the word from one side about what happened in the spring from someone that came to this forum and on his first post wants to know who to blame.
He should blame himself for not looking at his gauges, or opening the engine cover and checking the oil and seeing the state of things, and not listening to noises the engine makes when it's getting low on oil.
All a lot of you want to do is find someone to blame because you made a mistake....... Get a grip.

Don't ever tell me to get a grip

Just who do you think you are ?????

Now you are judge and jury ??? You read a few words and twisted them into some lame story with bells and sirens and lights and buzzers!

Now it is not worth my time.

OFM

 

[mkast]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Just who do you think you are ?????

Possibly someone with a tad more experience than you.

 

[Apollo75]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Hello, I have an 88 omc 350 260 hp. Took boat to dealer in the spring of this year to have boat serviced. Put boat in water and took for a ride 20 min. later lost rpms and motor quit oil everywhere. Took filter off and gasket was overlaped. Did not have two gaskets on. Question is is dealer at fault? Should they pay for new engine?

These few words that describe the event are all there is.

You did not accept the man's word.

You called him a liar by concocting scenarios that never happened.

You have distorted the liability by shifting the wrongful act to his part -->
"he/she is supposed to check a professional's work."

This hideous pattern is seen all to often in this forum and reflects badly on
the moderator.

The sponsor of the forum iboats are neglectful in allowing it to continue.

OFM

 

[Maclin]

Re: Mercury oil filter

We do not even know if the dealer changed the oil filter or not, the description just says "serviced", we do not have a copy of the work order or invoice or old parts. We have no idea how long ago this happened, be it the dealer servicing event or the actual running of the boat when the engine failed. We do not know what all has been done since it has been at the dealer.

Take it back to the dealer and see what they say. Trying to gather allies from a forum with no more details than that can backfire quickly.

 

[mtspro6]

Re: Mercury oil filter

What you should have done is take boat back to the dealer/marina and had them evaluate. have them take filter off and inspect. if in fact they made a mistake or the part was faulty, then by all means, they should be responsible. trying to go back on them now seems fishy and they would probably question you. Most boaters rely on the marina or dealer to keep their machine in tip top shape. Sure parts break all the time. But unless your dons. you should get rid of the boat for our safety. spending 100 percent of the time looking at your gages makes you a hazard to other boaters.

 

[Don S]

Re: Mercury oil filter

But unless your dons. you should get rid of the boat for our safety. spending 100 percent of the time looking at your gages makes you a hazard to other boaters.

What a rediculous remark to make.

I never said watch the gauges all the time, but the OP said his engine slowed down and died. In a second reply, he had 40 psi of oil pressure. But the bilge was full of oil, and the gasket was "overlapped". With a gasket like shown in the picture, the engine would not have had any oil in it after 20 minutes of running, let alone having that much oil pressure, along with not having oil or oil pressure, the lifters start collapsing and making noise when the oil pressure drops. After all that, he should have looked at the gauge.
This whole thing seems to have happened back in the spring, but now in the fall he wants to post and ask if we think the dealer should give him a new engine. I started out trying to help the guy determine what may have happened, then Apollo posted that for sure it was the dealers fault without even hearing from the dealer or even wanting too. just blame it on the dealer, wow, what a concept.

 

[JustJason]

Re: Mercury oil filter

Some people in this world could have "german air raid" sirens attached to a warning system and they still wouldn't pay any attention to them.