Motor Attempts To Stall

[DayCruiser]

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Ok,I checked the wires and they look brand new. I put them on the middle of last year. I sanded the terminals on the coil and checked the other connections and they look ok.<br />I will go back and check the spring. Now it doesn't swing back and forth when its in neutral. But it doesn't close when the button is pushed in and the throttle is pushed forward--just can be pushed back and forth as well as when button is out and throttle is pushed forward<br />I saw where you told somebody on here to check for fire by putting a well insulated screw driver in the spark plug wire head and then touch the shank to ground and see if there is a spark.<br /> Might have been my mistake to think I could do it with this type of electrical system. Because now it might turn over and then you might just get a clicking sound coming from the starter area.<br />When I tried to get the spark by grounding it it didn't make a sound--no turn over or nothing. The first time I did it it went back to normal. This time it went to clicking over and over and then you let it sit it will turn over. I hope I didn't f-up something else. Just be my luck

 

[DayCruiser]

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Don, I also read where you advised someone to pour a couple of ounces of gas in the Carb and then put the arrestor back on. I tried that earlier and it still didn't come close to starting. Just turning over.<br />So on my shopping list for next week:<br /><br />New coil. Looks like I can get that off with no problem<br />Soleniod that I just bought last year--that I probably shorted out trying to spark the plug.<br />Then I will deal with that carb spring. How do I get to the choke plate spring?<br />thanks again!

 

[Don S]

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I gave you a link to the service manual, did you even look at them? Complete testing of the start system, the ignition system and all about the carb, but you have to read them.

 

[DayCruiser]

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Oh yea I am still studying those pages. They dl into adobe reader. Just a bit nervous about trying stuff..Looks like I need special tools that I don't have or know how to use. But I am studying it more to see what I can do. I thought touching the spark plug bit would be the easiest lol I am pretty sure I blew the solenoid because it has the same symptoms of the last bad one.<br />I am havign to do this in between working around the house for company coming for easter--you know who is wide awake and cracking the whip haha

 

[Don S]

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You might want to do a little more studying of that ignition system and do some testing before you start replacing parts. That coil alone lists for $172, the control unit (Item 15 in the pic.) lists for $502.<br />Just to make sure you are doing it right, when you check for spark, pull the plug wire off the spark plug, stick a screwdriver into the end of the wire and hold the screwdrive next to the ground. If you put the screwdrive in the coil end you will get nothing.

 

[DayCruiser]

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Thanks for the prices. I was wondering about the cost. Yea that would be some more expensive trial and error to start. I got a friend with meters and will see if he can help do some testing tommorrow<br />I stuck the screw driver into the rubber cover. I couldn't see a way to get the metal insides out. At the same time touched it to a ground part of the engine. I got nothing like you said--engine didn't try to turn over. After my experiment though with that it just clicks now coming from the starter and won't turn over at all--until for some reason it will. Which leads me to believe I shorted out the solenoid.

 

[Don S]

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At the same time touched it to a ground part of the engine

You don't touch it, you hold it about 1/2" away from the ground, how else could you see a spark jump a gap. If it were touching there would be nothing to jump and cause a spark. But the engine has to turn over for it to do cause the spark to begin with.<br /><br />You might want to read this post before you go any further.<br /> http://forums.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t=012808 <br /><br />Then after you get the start system fixed worry about spark to the engine. You can't check for spark if the engine doesn't crank.

 

[DayCruiser]

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Ok I had a duh moment or 2 or three. I will read that and print out the other for my friend to go by<br />Thanks again Don! I will keep you and everybody update on the progress--as usual lol<br />Driving me crazy that boat just sitting there on a beautiful South Carolina day. But at least I got to use it a couple of days with the help of my towing friends haha

 

[DayCruiser]

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Ok Don, I bought a meter and a light and ran all those test you gave us in that link:<br /><br />First I went and had the battery charged up--since I tried to start it alot and I left the interior /running lights on all day while testing.<br /><br />Slave selonoid relay switch checked out good according to the test-a strong click in it too.<br /><br />Starter Selonoid test showed the starter was not bad.<br /><br />The other test didn't show the wiring harness connectors were bad or the neutral safety switch was bad<br />I went down the line on your test<br /><br />So are we down to the starter Selenoid being bad?<br />I tapped it a few times and still no go.<br /><br />I think I took one of these off a car one time and it wasn't that hard to replace.<br /><br />Thanks!

 

[Don S]

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If you had power to the B terminal in the picture below, the best thing to do is pull the starter and have it checked.<br />It could be the "Solenoid" or it could be the starter itself.<br />An additional test would be to have someone turn the key to the start and the solenoid on the starter clicks, have your test light on terminal C and see if it lights. If it does, the starter is bad, if it doesn't the solenoid is bad.<br /><br />

 

[DayCruiser]

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I had no power to B(No light when touched and no light when key was turned and it was touched).<br /> I have heard no click from the starter Soleniod.<br />The only click thats been heard is from the relay.<br />I am pretty sure I tested "C" and didn't get a lightup<br /><br />Thanks again! I should have bought a light and meter a long time ago lol

 

[DayCruiser]

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I have maybe a Carb problem that goes along with this thread after the electrical.<br />How do you get the line off so you can chack the filter at the Carb? Hold the little bolt and then turn the big bolt counter clockwise?

 

[DayCruiser]

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I got it off and there was a good bit of trash in the filter<br />I got the fuel pump bowl off yesterday and the spring had broke in the bowl and there was grit in the bottom of the bowl. So after the electrical we may have the fuel problem solved

 

[Don S]

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I had no power to B(No light when touched and no light when key was turned and it was touched).<br />I have heard no click from the starter Soleniod.<br />

If you aren't getting any power at B, then the slave solenoid is bad. Go back and check it again. With the test light check the BIG yellow/red wire "When the key is in the start postition" (It won't have power when in run.)<br />Just because you can hear it click doesn't make it good.

 

[DayCruiser]

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I followed your directions on that link you gave and everything pointed toward the Starter Solenoid<br />I put a screw driver across the starter Soleniod and it triggered the starter.<br />I put some wire to the relay and nothing happened.<br />Anyway I already took off the Starter Solenoid because the relay seemed to passed the criteria you gave(and before I read your last reply) I am pretty sure I did the test right because I was comfortable with it at the time. Now i am not lol<br /><br />Anyway I just did a continuity test on the Starter Solenoid that I took off:<br /><br />"A" doesn't have continuity with anything<br />"B" has continuity with "C" (the rod going to the starter)<br />D and B have no continuity. The only thing that did was B and C

 

[Don S]

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I said the SLAVE solenoid is the problem if you don't get power to B on the starter, not the Starter solenoid.

 

[DayCruiser]

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Ya now I remember, I got a green light up on B

 

[Don S]

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I got a green light up on B

What does that mean? Test lights and meters do not change colors

 

[DayCruiser]

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On my Walmart special it does lol. Reads that Green LED indicates negative(-) polarity<br /><br />I also had this strong (very hard to bend) but rather thin steel spring that I tried to bypass the slave solenoid relay with(like you said) and then hit the starter and nothing happened

 

[Don S]

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Are you using one of those testers you can stick in a 110V wall receptical?