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[bassman284]

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nascar hurt nascar. I can't even find the interview on video now, they probably got them all removed. But Hamlin did not say anything bad, just gave a polite opinion of how the cars were in Phoenix.

Well, yeah. And it was an opinion shared by most of us who watched the races. Looked like nobody could do much of anything except follow and hope the guy in front screwed up his pit stop. Used to be the big complaint about Formula 1 - the only passes occurred as a result of pit stop mistakes. I imagine the teams will ultimately figure out strategies to overcome this to some extent.

As I remember, the Car of Tomorrow (now known as Gen5) was pretty much a pig when they first ran it. The teams eventually figured out strategies and workarounds to make it competitive. Still pretty much a pig, but a more interesting pig.

Hamlin just told what was happening on track and apparently NASCAR doesn't want that. My guess is they're hoping to keep any other drivers from commenting on the performance of the Gen6 car. I guess we'll see.

 

[QC]

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All publicity is good publicity. I will give them that. People are flippin' talking fo sho. This has a lot of people PO'd!!

 

[MH Hawker]

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I was in concord over the weekend and didn't bother to stop by.

 

[roscoe]

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I am not saying they don't deserve it, but I sure would follow the rules of those that made it possible. I guess after you get your bank account full, you think you are above the rules. True, many of these drivers could just retire. Dale makes over 20 million for example. The Sponsors and the Fans make all that money possible..along with NASCAR. NFL players and coaches can't bash the refs

Really? And what was all that commotion last year over the replacement refs.

The also confront and challenge the refs on bad calls. Have you never watched an NFL game?

Not a Hamlin fan here either, but there was nothing wrong with what he said. Not any worse than a half dozen other drivers last Sunday.

 

[DayCruiser]

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I think the NFL fined and/or warned those that bashed the replacement refs. Yea they do during the game but not to the Press and TV people. If they do, then they can face fines and/or suspensions. Even here on I-boats, the moderators have the last say--its their forum and their rules and its their way of interpreting those rules. You can either follow those rules or leave or be made to leave. If everyone made up their own rules and interpretations then there would be chaos. Sponsors and many members don't want to be a part of chaos

Really? And what was all that commotion last year over the replacement refs.

The also confront and challenge the refs on bad calls. Have you never watched an NFL game?

Not a Hamlin fan here either, but there was nothing wrong with what he said. Not any worse than a half dozen other drivers last Sunday.

 

[82rude]

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07/03/2013 carl edwards says downforce spoiling nascar.execution date to be announced later.nascar is getting pretty petty,no pun intended.

 

[bonz_d]

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Nascar has become boring. can't remember the last time I saw a really good race. I see much better racing at our local dirt track on Saturday nights. Particularly discusted with almost every race now going green, white, checker. End it all and just make it 10 lap Dash to the cash! The other thing that's getting tiring is now they think they are the NFL and need a 2 hour prerace program. Com'on I watch for the race not the talking heads up in the booth.

Is NASCAR turning into IROC? How long did that last? Believe I'll be doing more fishing on Sundays.

 

[WIMUSKY]

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They don't think they're the NFL, they're competing with the NFL which is their biggest competitor. Even the music they use IS from the NFL. They're trying to make each race this big event like it's Daytona to generate interest/excitement.

Being the cars are so equal, I've thought the same thing for quite a while that it's a glorified IROC series. On the flip side, if you let the big teams have at it, spend huge bucks that other teams don't have to put out a product like none other, then you'll have racing like the "good ol' days" where the 2nd place car was behind multiple laps at the end of the race................ In these days you would have 4/5 teams competing each other. It's pretty much that now......

 

[bonz_d]

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One of the things that I find odd these days is when the point of green lap pit stops gets near or one of the fav's is off pace from the rest and really needs a stop the magic caution comes out for debree on the course yet we never see anything. Makes me think, do some of these guys carry junk in there cars?

Another thought, Last ten laps if you cause a wreck yet survive it you go to the end of the line for the restart. Same goes for head shots in the NFL. Put your head down and lead in you go home! But if you want to headbutt someone with your facemask then go for it!

 

[roscoe]

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Really think they (NASCAR) should design and develop a car for a year before they make the teams jump in it and race.

This whole "here's what the car will be" 30 days before they need to build it and race it is for the birds.

Initially LOOKS like it is a level playing field, but really gives a huge advantage to the mega teams over the coming weeks and months, because they have the resources to develop on multiple fronts.

 

[fat fanny]

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After his performance on the last last lap I believe he gave Nascar fans what they paid for weather there his fans or not and for the powers that be! to lay that on him is assnine to say the least. The Gen 6 cars are far from what they exspect and the true roots of this sport should be restored no restrictor plates and original fatory bodies.

 

[Capt Sully]

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Nascar is just a business out to make money. Making why too many rules. Giving out fines, just to make more money. Trying to control what and how cars can be driven, how their made, how fast they can go, and if you try to win by any means, then thats not fair and you get fined. I miss the good old days, when racing was like you stole it, and if someone came close, well you would just run him off the track. Bump and Grind baby. Now days like with Tony Stewart, because he used to bump them out of the way, Nascar made him take a Anger management course. geeeez

 

[QC]

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I disagree with a couple of comments here. NASCAR is not fining to make money, they are fining to keep things the way they want them, and that is to make money. There's a difference. Also, they have to have things closer, cars etc, as they want to attract sponsors. Also to make money. Silly them . . . The point is Sponsors are not going to get involved if they have no chance of getting television time and a few top 10s here and there. If it was the old way, then only the richest team would win. Same reason they limit ownership to four teams. Trying to at least give the smaller teams a chance. I am not sure why that is considered bad.

In this particular case, Denny Hamlin, I think NASCAR really screwed up, but what they have built is pretty amazing, and I understand why that bothers purists, or fans that liked things the way they were. Heck I still can't stand the DH, but I understand why MLB did it, and it has made for more scoring in the American League as it was designed to do.

 

[bonz_d]

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I'm of the opinion that within the last 10 laps the track should be red flagged and the field frozen. No count down caution laps and everyone restarts in the same position on the track as when stopped. With again you cause the caution you get pushed to the back. Last ten laps all pits are closed, finished. If you are running a fuel milage race then you'd better be ready before that 11th lap. Luckey Dog only once. Again com'on if you can't keep up your outclassed that day. Prepare better!

I really hate green, white, checker. Might as well watch PINKS ALL OUT.

 

[MTboatguy]

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bonz_d, then we might well just have 10 lap races.

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Lucky dog only once? What about wave arounds? So you stop for fuel before lap 10 in a fuel mileage race "just in case" there's a caution during the last 10. Oooops, there was no caution, now I'm stuck in 20th place. I understand the thinking, just don't believe it would work very well. People are complaining already about races being won/lost in the pits. That would only add to the issue. I believe 7 of 10 Chase races are 1.5mile tracks, aka fuel mileage tracks.

NASCAR is a business and they need to make money. One, to keep/get sponsorship as already mentioned. Even the big name drivers have a tough time getting full sponsorship from a single sponsor. Most have multiple companies sponsoring certain events. Also, NASCAR is trying to keep/get people's butts back in the stands. To do that, they are trying to put the best equipment on the track to create the best, most exciting racing for the fans.

I think all the changes they make to the cars during the season is wrong. And the annual car changes gets to be a little much too. Run with a car for a few years and see how things pan out. Maybe NASCAR is teadering on the edge and they don't have a few years to see if something works or not.....

 

[DayCruiser]

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I remember the old days when some cars were a lot faster then others or one car was faster than all of them. No restricter plate racing. Most of the drivers had no chance of winning half way through the race. Sometimes the fastest car would lap everybody and barring him wrecking, running out of gas or mechanical problem the races were decided much earlier than they are now. Click, people changing the channel

 

[bonz_d]

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bonz_d, then we might well just have 10 lap races.

Would you rather watch a green white checker every week? That's not racing either!

 

[82rude]

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daycruiser, people are changing the channels now.look at the stands.ok this is strictly personal opion but i hate the chase.nascar isnt hockey or the nfl or any other sport its racing.i do good all year then get punished with 10 to go so some other joker that just rode around can now make a spurt to the finish with nascars help by making him almost equal to me who tried hard all season.mini rant over.

 

[bonz_d]

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Lucky dog only once? What about wave arounds? So you stop for fuel before lap 10 in a fuel mileage race "just in case" there's a caution during the last 10. Oooops, there was no caution, now I'm stuck in 20th place. I understand the thinking, just don't believe it would work very well. People are complaining already about races being won/lost in the pits. That would only add to the issue. I believe 7 of 10 Chase races are 1.5mile tracks, aka fuel mileage tracks.



I think all the changes they make to the cars during the season is wrong. And the annual car changes gets to be a little much too. Run with a car for a few years and see how things pan out. Maybe NASCAR is teadering on the edge and they don't have a few years to see if something works or not.....

Luckey Dog! I don't think there should be one at all. Reason for getting lap back, someone else screwed up, the driver or crew didn't earn that spot back it's just given back and for only one reason. To keep a number of cars on the lead lap. Period. Seen too many times were the lucky dog was just about to go 2 laps down but didn't because of a caution!
The wave around on restarts is also for one purpose and one only and that is to get the slower cars out of the way! If there wasn't a restart the leaders would have had to deal with those slower cars anyways which I believe has a more interesting impact than a restart drag race to the finish.

Yes, close pits with less than ten laps remaining. You are correct. 20 laps to go you know you only have enough for 15 laps and the pits will be forever closed in just ten more laps. Tells me and my crew that I'd better decide when to stop for fuel and not be betting on whether another caution flag is going to come out! There was almost a caution last week because some one ran out of fuel on the track because they didn't get there needed caution that they were hoping on!

I don't want to see them racing off the pits, too dangerous. I'd rather see them racing 10 cars to the finish line af full speed door to door bumper to bumper.