Need to diversify company

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How about building / installing something like this for farmers in your areas? http://ruralmissouri.coop/08pages/08JanHayStove.html


I think it could be scaled up / down fairly easily.

Would you believe that I posted about this last year or so?

but my idea was for the round hay bales to be stacked horizontally in a 30+-foot deep culvert and let them do the natural burn thing do to rot that wet bales do and catch the heat in a radiator style loop system.
 

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Aspeck, what the heck is mobile tech?

Any tech associated with tablets and smart phones. Can be anything from WiFi links to apps to any new technology or idea that will make smartphones and tablets even smarter.;)
 

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Hay is huge bucks around here, I bet they are burning straw bales.
This I think would be good out in the prairies were they grow huge amount of wheat type products.

(perhaps time for a road trip HMMM, anyone wanna go for a truck ride?? :p)
 

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Bubba, just sent the guy an E-mail for some more info, maybe become a distributor up here?
 

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Great idea just be aware these are HEAVY so shipping could be a real issue (cost).

After reading further looks like they got the idea/print off a farmer in Saskatchewan, so its not patented by the look of it.
I see the need to run antifreeze not water through it, as well like you mentioned you could burn anything in it.
And I think the new gov regs say it has to have a catalityc converter on the exhaust.
Around here we have tons of wood chips/sawdust from the mills, would just have to build a slide in container to hold the sawdust/chips.

But it doesn't matter what you burn, all the things seem to be waste product anyways.
 

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I would think you can get away without a cat. if you raise the burning efficiency with a forced draft and possibly a 2 or 3 pass boiler. I think building a prototype would be a cool project.

Anti-freeze "might" be needed but I think I'd look at a holding tank in the building and let the boiler self drain when not in operation. The system is going to require a circulation pump anyhow so filling from the holding tank would not be a big issue. A LOT cheaper to fill and maintain and should a leak ever develop you don't have an environmental disaster on your hands.

I spent some time building boiler system in hog and chicken barns back in the early 80's, there would not be enough heat to generate the amount of steam/boiling water required if you just burned a hay type product I think.
You are going to get a very hot fire that burn for a short time or a cooler fire that smoulders (the reason for the CAT)
do to the efficiancy of what your burning IE how much moisture is in it, the density, the amount/% of efficiant combustable material. (Straw VS flax, flax has more oils in it perhaps) or to compare Oak vs balsa wood.

(Is this not called hog fuel, the leftovers? so its quantity over quality)
A dampining a system for this may just put it out depending on the fuel used.

Up here when it gets to -40 F or C you better have antifreeze in everything (water lines are buried 5-8 feet in the ground and some places 10-12 feet under roads)
I see this as a circulation system to heat the floors or radiant heat against the wall, but would require a back up heat source in the boiler to keep the heat/temp up.
 

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That was why I was suggesting a (forced) down draft burn. They have multiple advantages, little or no ash or "clinkers" and almost no unwnated emmisions.
OK, I see were your going with this, introduce an air curtain/compressed/forced air to pick up the rate of burn when required, have it work in tandem with the dampner to a set temp+-.
 

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Hey Wimusky, glad you and I and the others can put our collective minds together and possibly pull a diamond or two out of this info.
Like you and I have said its feast or famine, usually famine lately. (for local work)
As BP had suggested there are alot of opportunities for well paying jobs up north in the oil patch and in some of the mining towns around here.
I do not want to relocate, wifes got a great job and we own our home, that being said I have worked on the road all my life and will continue to do so.
I just can't stand or afford anymore long periods of down time (its hard on the body and mind)

That being said, WHY did the gas station close, any ideas?
could you buy the property outright and how much would it cost to get badged??? from a fuel supplier?
Fuels available, gas, diesel, propane (any marked fuels, no road tax)
Does it have a a couple of bays for wrench pulling and or an area big enough for a coffee bar?

Hey Robby, sorry I haven't been around. My daughter and I have been busting our humps clearing dead trees at that lake lot. Owner is very pleased. My little girl(15) is a hard worker! She was even pushing dad at times. lol

What I hi-lited, isn't that the truth! Sit around too much and we start going bonkers. The bod doesn't appreciate it either...

Unlike you, I could move anywhere. My wife telecommutes. As long as she has access to the internet, she's at work. However, my daughter has 2 more years of HS. We aint going anywhere till she graduates, at least...

Other than not being able to pay the bills, I really don't know why the station closed. One, his gas prices were way out of line. So, when people went to an adjacent town for groceries or whatever, they loaded up on gas. I rarely bought gas there too. They say there is little profit in gas. They claim to make most of their money from selling stuff in the store. I guess there is a big markup on beverages such as soda or whatever. Ok, fine. But, if your gas prices are too high, nobody will stop for gas and you're not going to sell any of the profitable products. Common sense. I also heard he turned down a big diesl contract. Why. No idea. Maybe not looking at the big picture, or, he wanted too much for fuel... It got to the point where he had to pay with cash for his gas/fuel. He only could by small loads so he was always running out. Half the time most of the tanks were empty. It's a tough business in a bad economy. People stop traveling. Tourists stay home. Makes for a long winter.

I attached a pic of the place. The first is taken from the highway. The fence line going around the building is all the property there is with the place. It sits on a potato chip. They're asking $289k. A little steep for around here. I'm assuming the bank owns it and a guy should be able to pick it up for whatever is owed to the bank. Pumps are as old as the hills. All need to be replaced. Taxes were only $1200 back in 2009, the last time it was opened. Who knows what the condition of the underground tanks are now. Talk about aLL THE RED TAPE buying it...... I'm sure everything would have to inspected and maybe even above ground tanks would have to go in. Talk about going in the hole right away...

To both guys, I've listened (watched) you kick a lot of things around and that has helped me get a better idea of your situation and your needs / desires. From what I can see you both suffer from a problem that is common around me and most of Rural America, there isn't a large enough customer base to support "a" business. You can both see that in your existing business' and that is the root of the dead season.

People around me solve that, some better than others, by running multiple complimentry business'. Perhaps you would do better if you gave some serious thought to three or four things (businesses) you can put together that takes seasonaily, availibility / competition and capital investment into account. Look at it as if you are building a mini conglomerate if that makes sense. Also consider an all around "filler" of some sort that generates some moderate income but is fairly steady. As an example, a fella here bought an old 2 ton 4x4, stuck a big block and new tranny in it aned mounted a tow truck rig on it. Huge tires, a serious winch and he advertizes himself as the "go anywhere" guy. His best customers are farmers and stuck tractors/equipment. It's not a business you could live off of but it brings in a tidy sum each month as an "extra" that doesn't require huge amounts of time.

Yep Bubba, you nailed it. ALL businesses suffer during the winter unless we get hammered with snow and a bunch of sleds come up. I'm not sure why a bunch haven't gone under. I may not want to know how they stay afloat. My summer work basically has a big hand in getting me thru the winter.

There WAS(he went bankrupt and has multiple lawsuits against him) a guy who over diversified. His motto was to never say no to a job. Jack of all trades and master of a couple. So, a guy can over diversify and find themselves in worse trouble.
 

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Now I see what your talking about, pretty much 0 waste going up the chimney (but there is a scraper deally on the back of the unit)
 

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YOSKI Wimusky!!

At least you got a bit of a work out today, I think I am turning into a pumpkin, time to get off my azz.

Neat little station and there is room for a shop for pulling wrenches on small engine stuff.
I Understand the rotten tank thing, now it would be a crap shoot or buy it with the bank knowing what it will take to clean up the contamination, maybe they will give it away to you and you take over the liability (buy it as a LTD company)
 

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Ya, we worked all day yesterday and about an hour or so today to finsh up. Then I went and did a few lawns today too.

One thing I forgot to mention, that bar/gas station/convenience store on the other side of town(woods)just expanded. new pumps etc.... He kinda went all out and that would be some tough competition. He at least is keeping the prices in line. He's also selling on/offroad diesel. I guess when the other place went under he took advantage of the situation and created a pretty nice business......
 

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Ya, we worked all day yesterday and about an hour or so today to finsh up. Then I went and did a few lawns today too.

One thing I forgot to mention, that bar/gas station/convenience store on the other side of town(woods)just expanded. new pumps etc.... He kinda went all out and that would be some tough competition. He at least is keeping the prices in line. He's also selling on/offroad diesel. I guess when the other place went under he took advantage of the situation and created a pretty nice business......

well who said you need to sell fuel to make it a go, remove the pumps and do small engine repair, convience store, yard and garden depot, ETC
 

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Building an honest business that takes care of those who have left this world is probably one of the most lucrative business you can get into, I have been look at the books of a couple of locals looking to sell and am seeing REAL BIG numbers.

I lost my rear end owning gas stations C store combo's, got out of that business a while back!
 

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Hey, I may have just found my calling.
The girl that takes care of bonding from the insurance company just called and I answered-
"Good afternoon BLA BLA BLA services" and then there was nothing 3-5 seconds later I go hello, and the girl pipes up and goes "You sounded like the voice mail guy on our system"

Radio and TV here I come!!! or at least voice mail :D
 

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When you make it big, RBH, just don't forget us little guys!;)
 

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When you make it big, RBH, just don't forget us little guys!;)

BAAA HAHAHA, like its gonna happen wimusky, just riden the train on that one!!


Maybe got those Barry White pipes though, who knew LOL!!!


Pumpin The wattage into your cottage !!!!!!!
THE 50.000 WATT FLAME THROWER!!!!!!


Thanks old schooll KEZE Spokane for that one!!!!
 

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Well the weekends over back to the old grindstone sorta.

Any ideas yet Wimusky?

Came up with a great idea for setting up oilfield/mining camp containers/trailers to keep them off the ground and from getting blown over in a storm.
 

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Been too busy to think this past weekend, Robby. Spent most of the day Sat. getting the boat ready to splash. Father's Day took the kid to N Mn, picked up grandpa and spent the day on the lake. Yesterday I was hard at the lawns to get somewhat caught up before "more" rain that is coming today. Talking nasty storms later.

Getting a little gun shy about reopening some local businesses even if it's just to buy the building and change the service. I see another restauraunt has gone under and a 4 sale sign is up. Times are a little too tough at the moment to start taking a plunge as described. Sooooo, I'm still on the hunt. I see you still have your thinking cap on!

For the hecks of it, I was gonna go online and checkout our local job service. Sometimes they come up with some interesting stuff. Maybe I'll sort wax worms!!! I always thought deliverying bait to the local bait shops would be somewhat interesting. I like to be on the road.... Or, drive a milk truck around to the farms and pickup milk! I need a CDL first...
 

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Hey RBH........
One thing we've got going for us, neither one "has" to find a different job. If we find something that floats our boat(lol) then great. If not, we can continue what we're doing.....;)
 

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Hey, Musky, how about a complimentary business ... Lawn & garden center, maybe add some farming necessities, etc. kind of like a Tractor Supply with actual service ... Hard and soft landscaping, lawnscaping, etc. That convenience/gas store would be good for that at right price...
 
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