New to boating...Mayday!

Sucker101

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Hello all,

I was hoping for some friendly help with my boat. Before I tell you the problems, first let me state that I am new to this whole boating world, so please respond in the simplest terms possible....

At the end of last season I bought a used Maxum Ski Boat from a co-worker who's husband is a boat mechanic. I was told that the boat was recently revived and running perfect and if any problems were to arise in the first season of use that they would be taken care of as part of the purchase agreement. I guess they saw the word SUCKER plastered on my forehead, because to this day they are unreachable (and I work with the wife!)

When the boat came out of storage at the beginning of the season it was tested at the Marina (not associated with my co-workers husband) and it started up great....until it left the comforts of land. From the moment the boat went into the water it didn't work. After multiple parts being replaced (water/air separator, coil, distributor cap, router, boot, shift cable, anti-syphone valve, fuel pump...to name a few) the boat it finally purring like a kitten. Go Me! And I have to say that for someone who knew literally nothing about boats or engines, I can tell you where every part of that engine is located, how it works and how to test it.

Like any new old boat owner, my original plans consisted on replacing the tattered vinyl and carpeting. Being the handy and creative person that I am, I have been researching what to replace it with. Today I went to measure so that I can purchase the vinyl and carpeting, and when I lifted up the cushions and carpeting, I found rot, rot and more rot. (This is where I hear you saying out loud....wow, she really is a SUCKER!). Having had the experience with the engine and it's lovely accouterments, I am terrified to know how bad the flooring is underneath the rot I already see!

Basically what it comes down to is that the deck needs to be replaced, my funds are short, and I am clueless of how to even start going about it. It looks like the "previous owners" did a patch job over it, prior to sale. The boat in its glory days had a ski storage compartment which now seems to be poorly fiberglassed over. Only problem with that is that the wood is soooooooo warped that it has now bowed through with huge cracks.

Can anyone tell me step-by-painful-step how to replace the entire deck? Please don't say get a book....I have tried and still feel unsure because I don't know what a boat looks like without the deck. I am afraid that I might do something that would cause permanent damage, like put a whole in her belly or damage the gas tank. Pictures with me are worth a ten-thousand words, so if you know of a dvd that will walk me through it that would be helpful too.

Is there anyone out there that can help this damsel in serious distress before this boat puts her 6 feet under?
 

DavidD

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Like you stated a picture is worth a thousand words. Could you post some pictures of the boat and damage?
 

Robj

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Do a search on floor replacement and you will be reading for days. Read through that, post some pictures and start asking questions. Unfortunately the deeper you look, the more rot you are likely to find.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

Nova II 260

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Yup, pics are worth a 1000 words. What year/model Maxum? Some one will probably have a pic of the original layout.
Usually, rotten sole (floor), becomes rotten stringers (frame) and rotten transom (back of boat). Many here on iBoats have went through that. IF you are doing all the labor yourself you might want to set up a cost/budget. This amount will depend alot on the size of the boat. Keep in mind that you will most likely never recover the cost of these repairs in a resale.
If all (the above) is rotten out. You have a lot of nasty/hard work ahead. You will basically have the strip the boat down to the bare hull. As was said, do a search here for floor, stringer and transom rebuild. There are 100's of posts, links and pages with many pics on those subjects.
Here is mine
Good Luck and Welcome to iBoats.
 

ThumbPkr

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

I would suggest buying the book "Runabout Renovations" by Jim Anderson and spend a little time with it before you assess your own capabilities.
The book is out of print but available used on Amazon for $15.00 or less and is a very good read.Jim is a very coherent writer with bits of humor added and lots of pics/diagrams for reference and it is well worth the price.
You don't actually have to read the whole book from start to finish to benefit from it but it is a good refresher from time to time.You can do it:))Ron G
 
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luckyinkentucky

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

First off, did your "Friend" put it in writing that they would take care of the repairs? You know where I'm headed with that. :)

On the other hand there are several sites out there that could help you. I even have a free downloadable book in PDF form if you are interested. Open a Gmail account, and send me a PM. I will send it to you that way if you want. It was a free download from somewhere I ran across not too long ago, but I can't find the site for anything now. :) It's very informative, and I learned a lot by reading it.

Also, here is another link for one I found helpful.

Boat Rot How to
 

new_boater

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

luckyinkentucky could i get a copy of that also
click my name below for e-mail link
 

Sucker101

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Wow...you guys respond fast. I appreciate that. Here are two pictures that I took with my cell phone (all I had available).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13502325@N02/?saved=1

In these pictures, I had already removed a lot of the visable mold/mildew from the top in a rescue attempt. I was hoping that I would be able to just replace the old plywood and screws, and maybe clean the rest of the inards with a mold and mildew product of some sort without getting too crazy on the "demo"...what are the chances of that???
 

tmh

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Well, have a look through the 100's of floor replacement threads here. Almost ALL of them included work to the stringers below. Very unlikely, given the description so far, that you will not have rot under the floor. Just hope your transom is OK and maybe the motor mounts. That would save a ton of work for you. However, when you hear a boat was "revived" that says it likely sat out uncovered and is a rot disaster.....fixable, but a ton of work!

You also have a ton of soaked foam under the floor that needs to come out. A nasty job for sure but again, doable. Lots of debate on how to replace it as you will read in the many threads here.

Yeah, you got jammed up by these folks. If they had patched the floor, etc. then for sure they KNEW they were selling you a mess. But unless you can get your money back that's water under the bridge now. Many of us here (me included) have boats we are FAR to familiar with the internals of! Yeah, it sucks, but in the end you have a boat you're darn proud of and KNOW is sturdy and will last. It's just a ton of work to get there.

Any photos of the rest of the boat? Seats, etc?

Lastly, make sure the engine is sound before you tackle the floor, etc. Otherwise you could do all that work and still have a worthless boat! It SOUNDS like you're in decent shape on the engine, but just make sure (no, I don't know HOW, just that it needs to be a strong runner to make the rest of the repairs worth doing.)
 

Mark42

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Hi Nicole! And welcome to iboats. You came to the right place.

How much did you pay for this little jem? I'm thinking it might be much quicker for you to get on the water if you buy another boat and put this one up for sale before you cut into it.

But first I would still try to get my money back from the sellers, if at all possable. Or maybe even get a portion back to cover the floor and engine repairs. If you work with this woman, it should not be too hard to discuss terms with her. There is also small claims court. But you need to be sure you did not get what you paid for, and there is some sort of deception going on.

Keep us posted.
 

mtnrat

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

I would like to see some more pics, incl the whole boat, engine etc. If you have some basic skills with tools or are a quick learner you can do the repairs, but it will take time, plenty of time, and patience. Not too bad if you have a covered place to work or inside if you live where it is cold.

Readers digest version of sole replacement.

To take out sole.
Remove interior,
Remove engine,
Measure dimensions of floor and make a diagram.
Drill holes in middle of sole(boat name for floor) to get thickness,
Set skill saw to thickness of floor and cut out pieces starting in the middle and go to the sides and bow until you get close to the hull.
Grind out remaining stuff on sides.
Obtain appropriate material for floor.
Cut to fit. (good time to put ski locker back in)
Coat in resin and let dry,
Glue to stringers and hull (replace stringers if rotten),( in gluing that refers to mixing resin and other materials to get a paste)
Resin down cloth to sole.
Paint with paint that has a non skid stuff in it and ditch the carpet.
Install engine and interior.
you may be able to replace the sole w/o removing the engine,(assuming sterndrive I/O) but it does give you alot more room.

I am in the process of posting up the full resto of my boat with pics, but look at some of my threads in this forum for some pics etc. I learned how to repair my boat from this forum(never worked on a boat before) and supplemented that with "runabout renovation" and a couple of other books.
Cheers
 

salty87

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

good news...it isn't rocket science
bad news...you're gonna have to get really dirty

your pics show what you know. there isn't any hope for that floor. you're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. unless it had just rained when you took the pics, it's saturated and cracking.

at least it's near the end of the season. have a handy hubby?

holes in the hull are repairable, most everything is. it'll get worse before it gets better but what doesn't? in the end you should have a really solid boat.

i'm pulling my engine tomorrow!
 

JMRuth72

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Welcome,

I am also a newby, but from what I have done already I am pretty comfortable in telling you that from what you have done and learned on this boat already you have pretty well learned the hard part. Engines, Gear boxes, and wiring are the mental hard parts (and sometimes physical due to weight). Everything else takes time, patience, and persistance. My wife and I just got back fri. from a 4 hour round trip drive to pick up a free boat and trailer. We both really liked the lines, but got it knowing it was a project. Ok, so that is the difference between us. The status remains the same, we both have a lot of work in front of us. Should you decide to start on this adventure when you are finished not only will you know your boat inside out, you can rearrange it and make changes to it and make it the way that you want. It will also be a good time to learn about electrical and make sure that your boat is not only functional, but safe in that area as well. You will also have a serious since of pride that few others on the water will understand because they bought their boats. You will have basically built yours. :)

Everyone so far is correct that you will probably find more under the floor. So far a friend of mine that I am helping with his boat is lucky. As bad as the fiberglassing job on the stringers is, the only ones that appear bad are the short cross braces that will be relatively easy to replace. While we are in there we are going to improve overall drainage by smoothing some real rough spots. If you will look at Sailor77.7 or my posts occasionally I am sure you will see what we will be up to. If you hit a snag just ask, someone will have the answer. I know that I am going to have to ask lots of questions even though I come from a combination of technical fields. I have never tried to put them to use on a boat. By the way when you go to cut the floor several things come to mind. You really should use a respirator anytime you are sanding or cutting make sure that it is rated for the item you are cutting or sanding (IE fiberglass). You should also use a set of non-ventilated goggles to protect your eyes from dust. I would also recommend a set of coveralls zipped up all the way to protect you from dust and debris.

As far as tools DO NOT use a jig saw or a sawsall you can not control the depth very well and you could go through the hull. I would use either 1.) a circular saw set up with a abrasives wheel (kinda a like a dremel cut off wheel) or 2.) a air power high speed cut off tool. We used the later after the circular saw with a standard blade was not working and it was pretty easy. We found out later that the fiberglass just ate up the blade. If you have access to air power tools that is great they last longer when dealing with fiberglass just make sure you oil them. Electric tools suck in the fiberglass dust and it will chew up the bearings over time.

That is all I have that help you at the moment. Take your time, ask questions, use the right tool for the job and most important think safety first. Good luck on you project.
 

Sucker101

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

I am really excited about all the replies that I have received. A couple of you have requested additional photos. I am not sure what you are looking for, but these are the photos I have:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13502325@N02/?saved=1

I am not taking the boat out until the first weekend in October, and in no way would I attempt to do this with it afloat. My luck....the boat would sink!
Anyway, keep the comments coming...I feel like I am learning a little bit from each posting.

Oh, and one more question. It has been mentioned that I need to replace the foam if it is wet/mold covered. What kind of foam do you replace it with?
 

rheyboer

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Dear Sucker:

I would find the heaviest chain made, tow this nightmere to where your friendly coworker parks and make a partnership between the trailer and her axel. i didn't read all the reply's, but getting a rotted floor and transom fixed on an I/O is about 3k. Good luck. You wil be in my prayers this Sunday...unless I'm boating. Sorry...
 

erikgreen

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

I would say the rest of the boat looks salvageable... even well worth a restore. I'd recommend having someone knowledgeable look at the rest of it, even a marine surveyor, to make sure it's just the floor and possibly wood under it that's bad. Also to document the condition in case you need to chase after the seller for compensation or help.

You could just sell it now, even with the poor floor it has a lot of appeal to a potential buyer.

On the other hand, how much will it be worth to you if you replace the floor and customize the interior a bit? When it's done it'll be a nice looking boat with a known good floor, stringers, and transom, and you'll appreciate it more knowing you did the work.

All is not lost - consider your options and move forward.

Erik
 

Sucker101

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

Hello All,
I have gotten a chance to get my hands on Runabout Renovations, which was recommended by a couple of you. Sad to say though, it doesn't have enough pictures for me. I am obviously a very visual learner. Does anyone else have any suggestions. A video perhaps? Or a book with clear step-by-step pictures?
 

salty87

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

that book covers the basics but couldn't possibly cover all construction methods. your boat was probably built slightly different from others and probably slightly different from what the factory had even planned.

what do you need pics of? is there a certain part or just in general? there are pics all over here of people's projects.

the first step in any of these rebuild projects is to dig in and see what you have to work with. you can't really buy supplies until you know. well, you could but you'd be guessing.

are you still trying to decide if you should proceed?
 

Sucker101

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Re: New to boating...Mayday!

I definitely am going to go for it. I have no problem with removing the seats to get at the floor, but I was really looking for the simple fix. I know that that sounds bad, but I am trying really hard not to sink myself financially (which in reality I already have). I was really hoping that their was a way to just unscrew the existing floor and replace the exact same shaped pieces and be done with it. I know. I am dreaming!

I guess the reality for me is that I need a do-this play-by-play. Pictures of exactly what to expect at every stage. I have an I/O and really was not looking to move it. That part of the boat seems sturdy and I don't want to fix what is not broken. Since I had the boot repaired at the marina, I know that the transom is ok (per the marina repair guy). I would like to just stick to the forward parts where the seating is.

To be honest, I am starting to get nervous about this whole thing. I feel like if I watch it being done, I could imitate it easily with minor adjustments for my specific boat. Am I getting in over my head?
 
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