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[Bob_VT]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

BEFORE you purchase some Chemtol B12 - READ the label....... do not use with plastic fuel tanks Just a bit of advice.

 

[gm280]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Okay, I too will be watching your efforts. I surely like your can do attitude as well. I'm of that type personality myself and take on different projects that others think I'm crazy for doing. But the amount of learning I gain and the self satisfaction is unbelievable. I like the boat lines knowing you will have tons of work ahead of you doing this the correct way. But do it the correct way and enjoy that boat for decades to come. One thing I did notice and it is way down the road for your project presently, the boat seems to sit very high on the trailer. It looks like it could be lowered down a few inches giving it better C/G while traveling. Follow the pros on here and you will enjoy the process...I hope! Once you get familiar with deconstruction efforts and get all the old wet rotted junk removed, it gets exciting to rebuild. :joyous:

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

The weather is breaking today! ... Time to get to work!

Here's my thought process from some things I've seen around the interwebs!

I am considering this approach:

1. I will pull the outboard and place on a stand in the garage (I'm really looking forward to getting my hands dirty on this one).

2. I will pull the cap, support it by placing it on a wood frame, which will be placed on a small trailer that I have ready.

3. I am considering building a custom structure to house the hull. I can place this on casters so that I can wheel it in our out of my shop depending on the weather and the job that I am doing at the time. (I figure going external on fiberglass grinding would be beneficial.)

4. I am extremely dissatisfied with how the boat rides on the trailer, so I can utilize the opportunity of having the trailer free of burden to rework it completely as well. Widening the rails, adding a larger tire size, and adding fenders among other ideas.
(Not to mention painting to match the paint scheme of the craft).


Questions:

I know that the stingers are considered 'Structural' but are they in need of being load bearing in the terms of construction?
If not, has anyone ever used (or considered using) a synthetic wood product? (Such as Trex or ChoiceDek)
Though in the construction industry they are considered non structural (You can build a deck, but not the joist), I think that if laminated and utilized in the shorter size of the stringers, this product would be perfect for boat stringers as wood rot would never again be a concern.

Comments?

 

[jigngrub]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Here's a good thread on building a boat cradle for item #3:
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restoration-building-hull-repair/boat-hull-cradle-help-584635.html

If not, has anyone ever used (or considered using) a synthetic wood product? (Such as Trex or ChoiceDek)
Though in the construction industry they are considered non structural (You can build a deck, but not the joist), I think that if laminated and utilized in the shorter size of the stringers, this product would be perfect for boat stringers as wood rot would never again be a concern.

This subject comes up quite a bit on this forum and the overwhelming consensus is an emphatic no. These materials aren't suitable stringer material, they don't have the backbone needed for structural support and the material isn't suitable for doing fiberglass layups on. The material isn't porous enough to allow penetration and absorption of the fiberglass resins to create a suitable bond.

There are options for stringers and transoms that won't rot, but they're usually considered too expensive for the average boat restorer. I'll expand on these if you'd like to hear about them.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

These links will give you some helpful info...

"Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms"

(Click the Pic to Download and View the PDF File)

View attachment MaterialsList.pdf

 

[bear_69cuda]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Count me in too!

Looking forward to this journey!

 

[gm280]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

I have watched both your videos, and I surely hope you don't get disillusioned once starting the demolition of this project. Because you have literally tons of things to demolish just to get bare bones for a starting place. Two folks you seriously have to listen too are WOG and GT1M. Woodonglass knows his polyester stuff which you WILL be doing a lot of...guaranteed, and GT1000000 is presently rebuilding a bass boat not that different then the one you have. GT1M has amazing pictures and videos to watch and I suggest you take the time to watch them. He does great work. There are certainly other with vast amounts of quality experience as well but those two are very knowledgeable in their own areas. I will be watching as well, but honestly I haven't even finished up even one boat project yet. I hope to finish in the next few months (weather permit) and move to maybe another boat project. Who knows?

 

[Marc Peternell]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

BEFORE you purchase some Chemtol B12 - READ the label....... do not use with plastic fuel tanks Just a bit of advice.

Bob_VT - I used B12 to clean out my plastic tank, it had a layer of old gas that had turned to varnish, and it worked great. I actually called the manufacturer prior to my using it. They put me on the phone with one of their chemists (what customer service!) and he told me that it would not harm my gas tank. I'd had a small piece of plastic break off of my tank where the vent tube attaches, so just to be sure, I soaked it overnight in a glass of B12 and it was perfectly fine. All of the varnish was out of my tank in less than an hour, and it took that long by my choice of letting it sit up, realistically, it was all out way sooner.

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

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I'll expand on these if you'd like to hear about them.

Doing any less would truly be a loss to us all! Expand and Expound! I look forward to the read!

(And thank you very much for the link! I could not think of the word Cradle this morning to save my life... can't search if you don't know the words!!)

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

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I surely hope you don't get disillusioned once starting the demolition of this project.

I hope I don't either

When I was in school I was quite the auto enthusiast. I restored (from frame up) a 1959 Chevy Bel Air (Not to original, we went custom)
and also a 1954 Ford Pickup (F-100) back to it's 'Original' look. Working on that old Y block was like getting to touch up the mona lisa
(I was a helper, not the primary and DEFINITELY not the financial backer of either of these projects)
Though that does not give me any knowledge about restoring a 1983 Skeeter Wrangler, it has taught me two things:
1. No really.. it's going to cost more than that..no... more than that to... seriously... did you bring your checkbook?
2. Hahaha you thought you were going to be done when?? Hahahahah

I also have a secondary motivation. I have spent money on something...
My wife, who is strait out of Proverbs 31, is so tight, I have seen her grab a quarter, and squeeze a booger out of George Washington's nose. She has so graciously allowed me to spend some of our funds on this project, and to give up on it would be to belittle several months worth of discussion, and insure Daddy gets no new toys for quite some time.
(She asks me about the boat almost daily. Nothing like the support of a good woman!)
I also have a 7 year old who just wants to go sit out in the boat and look at it all the time... bless his heart, he's got the bug!

I have spent several days looking at GT100000 and Woodonglass's posts, and now that you've brought my attention to GT1M... I'm going to camp out on his posts

I have also found a youtube/iboater named FriscoBoater restoring a CVX-18! He's just up in Frisco, about 40 min from here.
He's got great video/pictorial reviews and posts on here:
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-resto...vx-18-complete-restoration-thread-585518.html

 

[redneck joe]

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I also have a 7 year old who just wants to go sit out in the boat and look at it all the time... bless his heart, he's got the bug!

Teach him to make the vroom vroom noises. Put a glass of milk in his hand, let him sit at the steering wheel.

Post the video...

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Teach him to make the vroom vroom noises. Put a glass of milk in his hand, let him sit at the steering wheel.
Post the video...

Wish Granted: (I bet you wished you asked for a million bucks now... don't you?)

 

[jigngrub]

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Doing any less would truly be a loss to us all! Expand and Expound! I look forward to the read!

(And thank you very much for the link! I could not think of the word Cradle this morning to save my life... can't search if you don't know the words!!)

1. My first choice for a lifetime rot free build would be Kiln Dried CCA pressure treated plywood, this isn't your run of the mill home building/project pressure treated plywood you'd buy at Home Depot. This is marine grade plywood pressure treated with the old formula Chromated Copper Arsenate solution and then kiln dried. The CCA pressure treating solution is only allowed in marine applications now. This material can be hard if not nearly impossible to find locally in a lot of areas, but you can buy it online:
3/4" Marine Treated Decking
I'd use this material for the stringers, transom, and deck... and anything else made out of plywood on the boat. This material will be the cheapest lifetime build.

2. Second would be Seacast, it's a pourable material that sets up and cures similar to epoxy I guess. You can read about it here:
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...ast&gs_l=hp..1.41l1219.0.0.0.8727...........0.
You can build your stringers and transom out of it, but you'll still have to do something else about the decking like the CCA or regular plywood.

3. Third would be structural layup stringers, these are stringer built with a foam core as a mold for the fiberglass. After the foam is cut, shaped, and bonded to the hull fiberglass is laid up on them to approximately double the regular thickness or 1/4" thick. This takes double the time and material and money a regular stringer job would take... then you still have the wood transom and decking to worry about.

Now for the reality of it all, it's a common (and very good) belief in this forum that if you keep your boat trailered, garaged, and/or covered with the bow up and the drain plug out... all you really need to build your boat out of is a good grade exterior grade plywood. Boats only rot when they get wet and stay wet, usually due to being constantly exposed to the outside elements of rain, snow, and ice... and of course constant exposure to sun doesn't do it any good either. It breaks down your vinyl seat coverings, and fades your paint and carpet.

 

[bonz_d]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Small, looks like you're building quit a following on this.

Think I'll stick to Tin boats.

 

[bonz_d]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Small, looks like you're building quit a following on this.

Think I'll stick to Tin boats.

 

[redneck joe]

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Wish Granted: (I bet you wished you asked for a million bucks now... don't you?)

that is awesome, including the redneck milk glass.

 

[greenbush future]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

The short vrrrrooooom clip was the best, tomorrows boaters who will be fixing all our boats!!

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

Re: New to Forums -> New to boating -> Old hat at restoration, just not boats

Small, looks like you're building quit a following on this.

Think I'll stick to Tin boats.

Lol... I know right? Makes me want to hurry up and get on it!
Working on plans for the Cradle and Outboard Stand today, buying materials tomorrow.
(Have to take a break this afternoon to finish my wife's valentines day gift though lol.... Making her an inlay piano key Manhattan pen, shouldn't take too long )

 

[Small Saddle Wedgie]

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Sorry guys, I had to take a break and make some valentines day gifts:
This is the one I just made for my wife (who is a pianist)

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[redneck joe]

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wow