NGK's vs Champions

albass

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I went to purchase a set of plugs and couldn't get Champs so I picked up a set of NGK's is that ok or should I wait and find the Champs the saleman said NGK's were better???? there for a 1991 johnson Fastrike 150 hp
 

kjdunne

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

Wait for the correct Champions. Only brand OMC ever speced for their motors.
 

Dhadley

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

Yep. And that motor is pretty fussy about combustion temps. Stay with what the motor was built for.
 

guy74

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

I've ran both NGK, or Champion plugs in my motors, couldn't tell any difference. I run my motors hard, never had a problem with NGKs, but I've always heard they were a no-no, but no one ever says why. The only reason I use the NGKs is that my local dealer is a Mercury dealer, and NGK is all he carries.
 

kynolan2183

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

I only run NGK. I have had much better idle and life out of them than with the Champs. I have now run them on a 20 hp evinrude 30 hp evinrude and a 70 hp evinrude.

I switched to them when I ended up one morning with a motor that would not start and found that it was the the Champ plugs that had fouled.
Since changing over I have found that NGK offers more temp ranges and that has allowed me to get my motor to the best operating temp in both cold and hot seasons. I even had a evinrude mechanic change them out one time when I took a motor in for service. He fixed the problem but then motor idled worse than before the problem started. I had him change back to the old NGK plugs and it purred like before. The only thing he could say was "HUMM"

I really think that it has more to do with the fact that I read my plugs and adjust the temp range accordingly. The Champ Marine plug seems to only come in one range.

I kn w that the guys on the board will disagree and say run what Evinrude says to run but in most cases I think that is for a new motor in top shape.

Kyle
 

jtexas

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

I won't dispute anybody's experience, but here is my own.

My motor (1979 vintage 3-cyl) had brand spanking new NGK's when it was given to me. I noticed after 3 months the gap had widened - checked 'em and had to regap again a couple months later.

I mean the center electrode wore down at an amazing rate.

Now I get 2 to 3 years from a set a champs. Check 'em a couple times a year, never had had to regap one. Never had a performance issue - I only change 'em when the top of the electrode starts rounding off.

Mercs, yammies and a ton of vehicles running NGK's, no doubt they make a great plug - just not for my outboard.

bottom line, my opinion for the original poster is, go fishing & don't worry about it, but next chance you get, stop in and get the champs. carry the others for spares.
 

ezeke

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

Even a tiny bit of research will reveal that there are some OMC engines that were built around NGK spark plugs and that OMC showed them as the recommended plugs:

http://www.boatsetup.com/SparkPlugChart.pdf

On the other hand, Most of the motors and almost all of the really old OMC engines were built around Champions and other plugs, but not NGK.

It is important to know that motors are designed, tested and marketed based on standard parts. When you change parts based on such arbitrary reasoning as the suppliers' profit margin on a particular plug or her unwillingness to stock the parts, I think that you are looking for problems.

OMC motors list the correct, recommended plugs in the parts catalogs as part of the cylinder and crankcase diagram.

You can get the superseding recommended plug number by selecting the number pointing to the spark plug, then selecting the magnifying glass to get the updated part:

http://shop2.evinrude.com/ext/index.aspx?s1=de830313eef7bbd0dcc659d4f0a17eba
 

Dhadley

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

Some of the NGKs are not a direct cross for certain Champions. They may be off a tiny bit or they may actually be off enough to cause a problem in some circumstances.

If you have an OMC that's set up properly - can reach max rpms with an average load, the ignition is correct, the fuel delivery is correct, it's running on fresh 87 octane and the motor is stock - it'll probably be OK with NGKs or Autolites or whatever as long as the heat range is close to being correct. Some OMCs are more forgiving in that department, some aren't.

If you have an OMC motor that's running a tad on the rich side or backed off on the timing a little, it may actually benifit from a bit hotter spark. Again, regardless of who makes the plug.

If your OMC is lugging or running old gas / wrong octane or wrong timing or anything that contributes to a higher combustion temp, you're asking for trouble by adding to that (already) higher than normal combustion temp.

Think of the opposite situation - Mercs and Yamahas, generally speaking, run better with NGKs because that's what they're calibrated for as stock motors from the factory. Again, generally speaking if a given Champ is a little cooler than the NGK that's supposed to be in there the motor will foul the Champ pretty easy. That's why you usually hear a Merc or Yamaha guy bad mouth Champion.

I'm not saying we've never run NGKs in OMC motors, we have. Especially race motors, even OMCs. But we dump a lot of fuel. A lot. We've even switched back & forth from NGK to Champ and vise versa depending on what the weather did.

But overall you'll find that correctly running OMCs run better with Champs and correctly running Mercs and Yamahas run better with NGKs. Basically if you run too cold a plug it may foul out. If you run too hot a plug it'll burn the electrode, perhaps the piston.

I've had guys insist on running NGKs in an OMC even after they burn a piston. We simply richen up the mid range a little and a bit on top. No more problem.
 

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Yes, that's a good point. Some OMC motors were designed for NGKs. We should say that in this discussion we're mainly talking about carb'd 2 stroke motors that came from the factory with Champions.
 

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Run mine with Champions, never had an issue to date. Change them every season even though they are most likely good for much longer and keep the old ones as spares. For the 4 bucks or so each it is well worth the investment.
 

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I went to purchase a set of plugs and couldn't get Champs so I picked up a set of NGK's is that ok or should I wait and find the Champs the saleman said NGK's were better???? there for a 1991 johnson Fastrike 150 hp

Hmm...where do you live that Champion plugs are not available? Or was it just the particular store you went to that doesn't have them?
 

jtexas

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DHADLEY, thanks for that analysis, good info, makes me want to take another look at my setup.

Any opinions on a 1979 rude 70, 5300 RPMs?
 

Dhadley

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The 79 70hp is a pretty darn good motor, one of OMC's better motors. However, if it were mine I'd change the set up to get more than the 5300. We find that at that rpm the combustion temp - and that's what the piston sees - is a bit higher than at 5800.
 

albass

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

well I returned the NGK's and ordered the Champs will be in tomorrow a few dollars more but by what everyone says it will be better so I'd rather be safe than sorry and it runs pretty strong as is so why change things. 62mph at 5500rpm's with full load
 

Dhadley

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Best thing you could do. At 5500 you're right on the edge of lugging. Way better than 5200 but it could be a little more. If it were me I'd run the QL77JC4's. Just another safety thing. Had a set in my son's 60* 150 for 3 years now and they're still fine.
 

albass

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

What differnce would that plug you recomend do for me??? Is it a little hotter ? Just curious where should the rpm's be in your opinion?
 

Dhadley

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The motor on my son's boat is a 92 but basically the same as yours. Well, almost. The 91's had way better port timing and were very strong. OMC actually got in trouble for exceeding the NMMA 10% rule with them.

I know they recommend a QL78YC (I think) but I stay with the QL77JC4s. I just like the fact they're a little cooler and not the extended reach plug. If it's on a performance hull that responds well to propeller rpm I'd set it up for 6000, maybe a tad more depending on the hull. If it's on something like a Mako or Dusky etc I'd probably be happy with 5800.
 

albass

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

It's on a 1990 Ranger bass boat 374V model great holeshot one of the fastest Ranger ever made top speed is around 62 to 64 at about 5500 max can't get her any higher unless I change or rework the prop or maybe go with a jackplate but this is stock on the transom.I'm satisfied but want her at her best...LOL
 

Dhadley

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Where did you find a Ranger without a jackplate? That's wild. "maybe go with a jackplate"???? Cross out "maybe" and replace it with "when".

Nice ride, should be very stable. What pitch prop are you running?
 

albass

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Re: NGK's vs Champions

I'm runnin a 27 shooter 4 blade I figure with all the horro stories I've heard about trying to dial in a jackplate I'd leave well enough alone I was told I'm about maxed at the top of my speed range anyway for what i'm runnin so I can't spending big bucks for just 1 or 2 mph ????
 
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