No Nukes for the Kook

treedancer

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It's our fault because we bombed the Japanese during WWII?
Clinton did sell the North Koreans the nuclear technology. Don't try to change history


I didn?t say it was anybody?s fault in the video, just that was the beginning of ?Nucular? proliferation. As for bombing Japan, saved lives on both sides.

Go look at my video again and come and tell me what part your against. Is it the part about selling Democracy? The part about chopping up /dismantling the Constitution? The part about saying Iran, Iraq, would settle for having an authoritarian leader rather than have their country pounded into dust?

Here is a synopsis of how North Korea got ?Nuculair?, plenty of fault to go around.

North Korea has its own uranium; in 1965 they bought a small reactor from the Soviets. In the 70,s there technicians had increased the capability of that reactor and had completed the construction of a second one. It was in 1977 that they agreed to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect the first reactor.

Our intelligence discovered a third reactor in 1985,with some arm twisting ,and most likely some bribes of food, they agreed to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Five years later we discovered through satellite surveillance that they built a plutonium separating facility. We put some pressure on them again, and most likely bribed them again. long story short they agreed in 1992 that they would allow inspections. Must not have been enough food, are bribes, because in January 1992 we got the boot, and they attempted to withdraw from the NPT.

Clinton told them that if they didn?t start talks and do some negotiating he would take a hard look at implementing military action. It seems that the North Koreans seen the light, and they started haggling again in 1994.Whoops?. not enough bribe/food /money, they yanked the fuel rods from one of there reactors to show they were serous. Clinton says better call the Peanut farmer in to do some negotiating, enter Jimmy Carter.

So Jimmy went ahead and negotiated the deal that Clinton signed off on, giving them conventional fuel. And two light ?water reactors. That could not produce weapons grade fuel, and a bushel of peanuts, this was done before 1994 ended. Of course North Korea had no intentions of honoring that treaty, as they have not honored any of the treaties that they have agreed to in the past. To them it is a way of extorting food and bribes. They start rattling the saber, they get food and bribes. Why should this treaty be any different? As you can see there is plenty of blame to go around all the way back to fifties if you want to get into it.
 

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So how is supplying them with 50 million barrels of oil not an "appeasment" tactic?

Not that I'm against it mind you, but it seems to fit your exact definition of appeasement.

Yes PW2, usually negotiations do have concessions that can always be labeled "appeasement". Let's hope it works this time. The li'l dictator only built his nuke program to black mail the world or use 'em, (let's hope he doesn't use 'em).

And JR, dems are against the missle defense system for two fundamental reasons:
1. It can't possibly work,

Wow PW2. I guess when Liberals n' Democrats want to surrender to an enemy or make us perminantly vulnerable to an enemy they just make up something that they can't possibly know. How would you or anybody short of God know for sure what you just stated? Do Liberals always want us to be heading into a crisis so they can talk us into lettin' them have more power over us?

and the only way you can possibly really test it if you are under attack, and then it's too late.

Ya know PW2, the USSR could have likely overwelmed an early missile defence system, North Korea would have a very different set of calculations to ponder. Why would you deny us that type of protection? Does yer brain work at all?

2. It's designed to counteract a threat that no longer exists, and if we are smart, will never exist again...unless, of couse, we build the thing.

Are you smokin' something? The threat no longer exists? Hmmmmmm.

Besides that is the cost, but that is minor compared to the first two

Liberals.............they work themselves up about global warmin' but they can't seem to understand real tangible threats, n' a solid strategy to deal with the threat. Is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR
 

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Twenty five years later & we still can't test Ronald Ray-Gun's missiles when it's foggy out!.......:rolleyes:
I'd have to say that M.A.D. rules out the need for that sort of defense.....
Unless you want to fatten your wallet with Gubmint contracts....
Then it is most neccessary!.......:):)
 

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Twenty five years later & we still can't test Ronald Ray-Gun's missiles when it's foggy out!.......:rolleyes:

Hmmmm, I guess the Ruskies got tricked by ol' R Reagan eh Bro?

I'd have to say that M.A.D. rules out the need for that sort of defense.....

You have to be kidding Bro, (as it is actually likely ya are), ya wanna try M.A.D with North Korea n' Iran too? Maybe some Islamic Facists? Not likely I suspect unless ya been smokin' with Rolmops or PW2. Ya tryin' to demonstrate the irrational Liberal thought process fer the folks here on DC?

Unless you want to fatten your wallet with Gubmint contracts....

Anytime the Gubment is envolved that is the case: Bro. This is one of those areas where the Gunmint has to do the deal, unlike most of the rest of Liberal Big Nanny Government programs we have. JR

Then it is most neccessary!.......:):)

If ya want an option other then a full scale nuclear pounding of where we think the missile was launched: Bro. Respectfully, JR
 

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If ya want an option other then a full scale nuclear pounding of where we think the missile was launched: Bro. Respectfully, JR
No, but we should drop a conventional bomb on Mecca, (WWII style), as a symbolic gesture every time an Islamo-fascist faction mounts a terror attack & takes credit for it........;):)
 

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No, but we should drop a conventional bomb on Mecca, (WWII style), as a symbolic gesture every time an Islamo-fascist faction mounts a terror attack & takes credit for it........;):)

Yah right: Bro. Why stir up the hornets when we are in the process of aranging our defeat? That makes zero sense. JR
 

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I'm with haut. Bomb Mecca. An eye for a religious palace.
 

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Bombs ended the Japs and they'll end this too. You're just too afraid (like most Americans) to deal with the reality.
 

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I'm just sayin' that we need to get Medieval with them, they understand that corncept.......
Lay off or there will be cornsequences....
When the collateral damage gets enough, the good Muslims, (if there are any) will start policing themselves......;)
 

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Bombs ended the Japs and they'll end this too. You're just too afraid (like most Americans) to deal with the reality.

I dunno Ruber. Me thinks the Muslims that we are at war with like death far too much, (as they train their babies to grow up n' be good little bombers n' have 1500 years of practice doin' lots o' killin'). If it comes down to it, it will be very difficult to deal with 1.2 Billion people without seriously effecting the life expectancy of the human species. Just a thought. I've been wrong many times before. JR
 

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I seem to recall the Japs had plenty of suicide bombers also. They strapped them into planes.

It's one thing to suicide bomb yourself, it's another to watch a major city get blown up. It would work. We gave the japs two bombs. One to show them we could and a second one to let them know we wouldn't stop until they did. They stopped.
 

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I'm just sayin' that we need to get Medieval with them, they understand that corncept.......
Lay off or there will be cornsequences....
When the collateral damage gets enough, the good Muslims, (if there are any) will start policing themselves......;)

I think you are exactly right Bro. Ya really think President Edwards or Obama thinks that way? How 'bout Nancy or Harry? That is the real problem: the enemy within. We could do this deal real quick if there weren't treasonist leaders in power today here in the good ol' USA. JR
 

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I seem to recall the Japs had plenty of suicide bombers also. They strapped them into planes.

It's one thing to suicide bomb yourself, it's another to watch a major city get blown up. It would work. We gave the japs two bombs. One to show them we could and a second one to let them know we wouldn't stop until they did. They stopped.

Very different situation. The Japanise were dying for their homeland and Emperor and when we started blowin' up their cities and they had a real reason to stop. Their sacrifice was actually very selfless. You are aware that Muslims blow up their own people and structures far more frequently then they blow up Infidels: Rubber, (cause you are one of the smarter n' better informed posters on this board). They do it 'cause they think they get 72 virgins n' nihilistic acts are not new to Islam. Very different situation. One other minor little thing to ponder: we were the only one with the bomb in 1945. Respectfully, JR
 

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We don't need to use nukes. I think a major city destroying blitzkrieg with conventionals would have a lot of impact. Especially if we took out a few cities. But we'll never know because President Obama will have us surrender day one.

I wonder if I can get a little flowered rug to match my booty shorts?
 

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We don't need to use nukes. I think a major city destroying blitzkrieg with conventionals would have a lot of impact. Especially if we took out a few cities. But we'll never know because President Obama will have us surrender day one.

I wonder if I can get a little flowered rug to match my booty shorts?

I do agree with ya here Rubber. The first defeat must be our own treasonist leaders who put their own political objectives first and our Great Country second. Once we take a major hit from the bad guys, (or a number of hits), those types of pols should be in trouble, n' then we may be able to deal with our enemies in a very non PC way, (I would hope). I see no reason for Gaza strip or maybe Syria to exist any longer, do you? I say give 'em 48 hours to leave, (n' wait till they head back to Eqypt or some such place), and never let 'em back in once the place is sterile. That might start to get the attention of the world we mean business. I just don't see many potential happy endings here. The enemies within make it much worse, as if our enemy knew (or thought) we were determined to win at ANY COST, (which we will get to that point IMHO within a few years), they would be much less willing to press us, n; would pick on the Spanish or other weaklings who bend over to 'em. JR
 
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