Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

[Heinz CA.]

Here we go, not trying to start anything, but got into discussion w/ buddy which synthetic better? I got a deal on Valvoline, he has used Mobile 1, and he's wanting Amsoil for all - motors, gearboxes, etc. Hell we're not racers, just want best bang for buck. I actually used Valvoline last two changes because i couldn't find Mobile 1 in 10/40, just 5/30, 0/30 etc., Here in N. Cali, 10/30- winter 10/40-20/50 summer good weights. Ok guys let em fly! and I have 4.0 XJ and 460 F250.

 

[Triton II]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Yup... here we go! Hang on tight there Heinz!

 

[Heinz CA.]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Awwwwwwwwwwww Im not tryin to start guff! Really....just kinda exploring here.....I like my buds want to keep our rigs goin for long as possible.....

 

[KaGee]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Search the forums... there is PLENTY of discussion on that.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Well, Ill try and be as cival as possible:<br /><br /> "Which is the best" <br /><br />This is a question that has been going around for a long time, of course you all know where my loyalty lies, but the answer is, It depends on how you are going to use it. Buy that I mean, How long are you going to go between changes?<br /><br />If you are just going to change your oil every 3,000 miles anyway, you are actually wasting money if you use a synthetic. ANY synthetic will go to 7,500 with no difficulty at all, (Thats pushing it with a conventional oil). The Diesel oils will easily go that far also. The better synthetics will easily go 10,000, The S3000 Amsoil is formulated to go even longer, up to 25,000 or one year. (I use this oil in the 5W-30 in my pickup and change it at 10,000). Obviously we would be talking mostly highway driving at that kind of mileage in a year, Highway mileage is easy on oil. Mobil is coming out as we speak now with a Extended drain oil also, after all, they have been trying to catch up to Amsoil forever. <br /><br />Even the Super Tech synthetic at WalMart will go 7,500 miles, It incidently is a pretty good bargan, although a group 3 synthetic. Its comparable to the Castrol Syntec, and a lot less money.<br /><br />Which is Best??? Hey, Its all slick!

 

[Laddies]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

I won't touch that LubeDude, but I bet the Oil Doc will, best of luck---Bob

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

I can say that the Castrol syntec went for 32,000 miles on my last oil change. The place that had been surposedly changing it didn't do it, but charged for it. However my oil pressure is just as it was when I got the van. No knocking or mechanical noise on start up even below zero temps. I really don't care what brand of synthetic, but I will keep on using it even though I've been getting screwed out of my oil and filters.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br /> I can say that the Castrol syntec went for 32,000 miles on my last oil change.

You may have had it in there that long, but it was depleted to a point where it wasnt doing the job!! I feel it probably took some miles off the life of the engine.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br /> I can say that the Castrol syntec went for 32,000 miles on my last oil change.

You may have had it in there that long, but it was depleted to a point where it wasnt doing the job!! I feel it probably took some miles off the life of the engine.

Remember LubeDude, 185,000 mi, one new top off quart every 4500-5000 mi's, two new quarts plus filters every 25/30k mi and never an oil change. This all in a vehicle that is constantly carrying 1000-1200 lbs over GVWR. Never an oil change!

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Originally posted by Boomyal:<br />

Remember LubeDude, 185,000 mi, one new top off quart every 4500-5000 mi's, two new quarts plus filters every 25/30k mi and never an oil change. This all in a vehicle that is constantly carrying 1000-1200 lbs over GVWR. Never an oil change!

Yes Boomyal, but this aint Amsoil, this is a group 3 oil that has a hard time making it to 10,000 miles, Its a wantabe Synthetic, but the courts say differently, What do the courts know about oils anyway?

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

LD and Boom, my van has 174,500. 300 6cyl ford. I did have the oil pan replaced just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, there was some sludge in there alright. Its still ah running and it aint mine. Company truck......hope the boss don't see this.

 

[TheOilDoc]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Its a wantabe Synthetic, but the courts say differently, What do the courts know about oils anyway?

There is nothing defining a "synthetic" oil as having specific amounts of PAO. That is a falacy that some oil marketers would like you to believe.<br /><br />Several types of synthetic oil technology exists, each with their advantages. Consumers appear to demand them all. Currently blended synthetics are popular, giving consumers the benefits of both synthetic base stocks and petroleum base stocks, at a lower cost.<br /><br />Full synthetic engine oils generally contain 70% to 80% PAO, 5% to 10 % Group V base stocks and the remaining portion additives. Some engine oil marketers have elected to use different ratios. It should be understood that oil grouping was established by the API to define interchangeability between base stocks, not to determine oil performance, or which oil is "best". <br /><br />The courts ruled the only reasonable way possible in the Mobil vs. Castrol case.<br /><br />There was no exclusivity to the term "synthetic". The oil industry didn't define what "synthetic" was, and the API really didn't define what constituted a "synthetic". There was simply no regulation. It was just terminology that the early synthetic oil makers like Mobil coined.<br /><br />If the ruling was in favor of Mobil, the Judge would've had to define what "synthetic" meant by establishing specific performance criteria (ie: amounts of PAO, additives, hydrocarbons, etc.) This isn't something Judges do. Ruling in favor of Mobil would've been establishing and subjecting the entire oil industry to Mobil's own criteria of "synthetic". In affect, the Judge would've been giving Mobil exclusive rights to what a synthetic supposidly is according to Mobil. I guess you could say the Judge gave us options, rather than making it exclusive to one technology, one formulation, or one brand.<br /><br />The Judge did not deny oil marketers the option of labeling their oil with its PAO or "synthetic" content. He did not put restrictions on "synthetic" oil makers. He left the determination of what "synthetic" to use up to the consumer.<br /><br /><br />

Mobil is coming out as we speak now with a Extended drain oil also, after all, they have been trying to catch up to Amsoil forever.

Mobil was the first synthetic oil. Many years later Amsoil followed and simply marketed their synthetic to the public first. Marketing has always been Amsoil's priority, as we still see by the amount of propaganda they make available.<br /><br />Amsoil has always formulated its extended drain oil with phosphorus amounts that exceed what the API and auto industry establishes as safe. This is one of the reasons many of their oils are not API certified. They simply can not get them certified. Amsoil also requires a special filter system with the addition of fresh oil for the extended drains. Amsoil suggests ignoring the change interval recommended by the very people who engineer and manufacture the engine. <br /><br />Mobil has always had their synthetics certified by the API. Their phosphorus limits are acceptable to the auto industry. They recognize change intervals determined by the people who make the engine.

 

[PAkev]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

I use Amsoil synthetic in my 2002 Chev. Duramax diesel. and put about 500 miles on a week. I have made it a point to change the oil every fall and every spring which tends to be around 10 to 12 K miles and usually change the spin off oil filter in between (every 5K miles) and at oil change. This seems to be working well and I am pleased with the performance of Amsoil. <br /><br />I was also introduced to using a Fotomo valve instead of screwing and unscrewing the drain plug which makes changing the oil a zip, a much cleaner project, and other than an oil filter wrench, requires no additional tools to tote under the truck. Great product... I wish I learned about these a long time ago.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

PAkev, what is a fotomo valve??

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Boomy, I think it is like a quick disconnet.

 

[ob]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Fumoto is simply a brand name.The valve is a brass ball type valve that is available for several applications and come with or without an outlet nipple to attach an extension hose to.The male threaded end of the valve screws right in to the oil pan that your original plug was threaded into.

 

[beezee28]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Can someone tell me if it is a good idea to use synthetic oil on my old car. It is a Dodge Neon and has about 110,000 on her. I read somewhere once and it says that with so many mileage it would not be a good idea. Pls advise. Thanks

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

I tried it in my 96 GMC truck @ 180,000 miles....had oil coming out everywhere...went back to dino in less than 1000 miles, leaks slowly went away.<br />See what some of the oil Guru's think, but it didn't work for me.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />

Full synthetic engine oils generally contain 70% to 80% PAO, 5% to 10 % Group V base stocks and the remaining portion additives.

Except that Castrols base stock is a group 3, (Hydrocracked petrolium) Good oil, but not a synthetic. So in my game, this is "NO" synthetic, just a want-a-be!! Want a group 3, then buy the WalMart Supertech for about $2,00 less a quart, dont pay real synthetic price for a want-a-be oil.<br /><br />Cant deny anything else youve said though. Other than the amount of Phosphorus isnt that big of a deal though. Amsoil just feels that it isn that bad on the converters as they try and make people think it is.<br /><br />Genuine PAO Formulated Synthetic<br />AMSOIL INC. has been the leader in synthetic motor oil formulation since its introduction of the world’s first API rated synthetic motor oil in 1972. By specializing exclusively in synthetic lubricant technology, AMSOIL is able to optimize the most advanced chemistries available. The “Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated” designation displayed on AMSOIL motor oil packaging indicates that the oils are formulated with Polyalphaolefin (PAO) synthetic base stocks. <br /><br />This chemistry is the industry’s premier base stock technology. Unlike conventional mineral-based chemistries, AMSOIL PAO base stocks contain fully saturated, hydrogenated molecules and are free of wax and other impurities. Combined with an exact balance of premium additives, it delivers superior hot and cold temperature performance, resists oxidation and acid formation and provides long-term wear protection. AMSOIL “Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated” oils have shattered the parameters of the most rigorous industry testing and set the standard for all other motor oils.

 

[Heinz CA.]

Re: Ok OK OK, Lubedude? Whick best synthetic? AMsoil, Mobile 1 or ?

Ok so good grief whats best for a 4.0 XJ I drive daily at 70-80 mph w/ 164k and runs like a top?