Old boats and new gas

garyq

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HI just wondering about old engines from the 60,s & 70,s they had lead in the
gas .. What harm will the new gas have on these old engines and is there additives you can add to the gas and what Octane should you run thanks....
 

JetBote

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Re: Old boats and new gas

The lead in fuel helped lube the valve guides.
 

mkast

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what Octane should you run thanks....

What is the compression ratio of the engine?
In the early 70's hardened valve seats were being installed in engines.
Exactly what year engine are you talking about?
Lead lubricated the exhaust valve seat.
Engine oil lubricated the valve guides.
 

JetBote

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Seats, sorry. Was driving and posting at the same time. ;)
 

garyq

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the yr in question is 1965 150 hp v6 buick inboard
 

Fishermark

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It's lasted this long. Just run regular unleaed and you will be fine.
 

garyq

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PS.. how do U know that for sure,,, need more info on your no how...
 

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I would run a little higher then regular, think of what octane regular was in the 60's like 89. Also may back the timing off a few degrees.
 

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By the amount of leaded fuel designed engines, that have been disassembled and inspected.
 

mkast

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I would run a little higher then regular, think of what octane regular was in the 60's like 89. Also may back the timing off a few degrees.

If I remember correctly, the compression ratio was less than 8.5 to 1. Using fuel higher than 87 is a waste of money.
Retarding the timing isn't nessessary.
 

garyq

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looks like I still need more info ,less octane or more ,But hay what about my other question which was additives for older engines .Need more info ..
 

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Ayuh,... regular no lead ethanol whatever gas,...No additives...

The motors will never see enough hours to miss the lead...
 

woosterken

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i run 87 octane in my '74 120hp mercruiser, no problems :)

this is on the side of my boat ,right by the gas fill

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but the owner that i bought it from said that it didnt need that high octane

woosterken
 

garyq

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yes your talking about 1974, in board or out board? mine is gas only 1965 thats 9yr,s older plus you don,t say if its 2 stroke thanks anyway..mine is 4 stroke gas only..
 

JetBote

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The biggest thing I would worry about at this point would be the effect of ethanol on an older fuel system than lead content.
 

garyq

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wheres DON .S on this subject hey Dude whats your thoughts need more info ...
 

garyq

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nice tri hull mine is almost the same but not a bow rider will post pic,s when I get it .Just want to ask all the right questions before hand >>>>> because of its age thanks for your input...
 

Fishermark

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garyq - you can run whatever gas you want of course and put whatever additives you want as well. Totally up to you. But consider this:

If you have your original engine from 1965, then it is now 45 plus years old. Unleaded fuel has been the only choice for all practical purposes for around 35 of those 45 years. From your question, I assume you are a fairly new owner of this boat. While it is possible, I seriously doubt the previous owner(s) spent the extra money to put lead additives in every time they filled the boat with gas.

Regarding the octane, contrary to what many believe, as an engine ages and loses compression, its need for octane declines. Run a tank of regular unleaded and see how it runs. If it runs well, as I suspect it will, then continue to use it. There is absolutely no benefit to running a higher octane fuel than is needed.

My personal experience? I've owned the car in my avatar, a 1956 Chevy, since my high school days. (1976 for those interested ;) ). Back when unleaded fuel first came out there was much hand wringing about the damage to the valve seats, etc. It turned out to be "much ado about nothing."
 
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