Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

2fast4u_evinrude

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Re: Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

0172123 SWITCH & CONNECTOR ASSY

no longer available :(



look for a used control, or use an ohmmeter to test the one you have

Can that shift control be repaired? My buddys dad owns a electronic repair shop in town. I could take it out and get him to check it. Also if you look at my picture, the toggle switch below the "R" is the reverse button. Thats how I got the boat. I dont imagine that is factory. I would have to flip that switch up (in neutral) then pull the throttle backwards to go to reverse.
 

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bruceb58

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No it is not factory.

Did you happen to see the link I just posted? I believe its your switch.
 

DDG53

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Wow....:eek:..I thought i was the only one with this prob this last weekend. But mine is just the other way around. Fwd... But no Reverse....:confused:
 

2fast4u_evinrude

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No it is not factory.

Did you happen to see the link I just posted? I believe its your switch.

I must of missed it and just saw that link now. Wow that seems like a good chunk of change out of the wallet. Now I wont have a problem spending that amount but Im worried that its not going to fix the problem and all that money out the window. So what I am thinking is that the switch was messed up to begin with and the previous owner hard wired it the reverse to a toggle switch. and now the forward went on it.
 

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In my search, I saw an exploded view of a switch that is either the same one or similar. Inside the unit are two small microswitches that get closed independentaly for forward and reverse but not both at the same time obviously. Depending on how its wired, with the switch you have, there is a danger than you could be in forward and hit the reverse button...not good!
 

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The answers that you are getting are all spot on.
You should not be able to start up in gear, for your safety.
Your switches must be heavy enough to handle the current of continuously energized magnet.
you should not rig some switches that may give you forward and reverse at the same time.

I understand that you want to find out if the magnets/gears are toast, or if the switch is infact shot, before spending $ on the switch.

Try this, as a diagnostic approach. I do this when ever I work on any of the three lowers that I have for my boat. With every thing electrically dead on the boat, all batt switches off, take a 12v battery over to your prop. Ground the neg terminal to you out drive.

Undo the green and blue wires at the butterfly/ rubber boot in above the tilt motor, inside the engine compartment. use a jumper wire from the green wire to touch to the positive of the bat. You may hear the gear move in. turn the prop by hand. It should lock up one way.

take the jumper off the pos terminal. prop should be free both ways again.

Put the jumper to the blue wire. go back to prop. touch the jumper to the positive terminal, again turn the prop. It should be locked up the other way.

If all of this happens, at least the mags are working, and the gears move.

Now isolate your shift system. Put the shifter in nuetral and find the 12v wire that feeds the switch. feed it 12 volts. check green and blue. you should have nothing at either one.

put it in forward, and check the green wire, you should have 12v there. nothing on blue. put it in reverse and check blue. you should have 12v there and nothing on green.

These two steps should really help you find the problem.
 

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Re: Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

The answers that you are getting are all spot on.
You should not be able to start up in gear, for your safety.
Your switches must be heavy enough to handle the current of continuously energized magnet.
you should not rig some switches that may give you forward and reverse at the same time.

I understand that you want to find out if the magnets/gears are toast, or if the switch is infact shot, before spending $ on the switch.

Try this, as a diagnostic approach. I do this when ever I work on any of the three lowers that I have for my boat. With every thing electrically dead on the boat, all batt switches off, take a 12v battery over to your prop. Ground the neg terminal to you out drive.

Undo the green and blue wires at the butterfly/ rubber boot in above the tilt motor, inside the engine compartment. use a jumper wire from the green wire to touch to the positive of the bat. You may hear the gear move in. turn the prop by hand. It should lock up one way.

take the jumper off the pos terminal. prop should be free both ways again.

Put the jumper to the blue wire. go back to prop. touch the jumper to the positive terminal, again turn the prop. It should be locked up the other way.

If all of this happens, at least the mags are working, and the gears move.

Now isolate your shift system. Put the shifter in nuetral and find the 12v wire that feeds the switch. feed it 12 volts. check green and blue. you should have nothing at either one.

put it in forward, and check the green wire, you should have 12v there. nothing on blue. put it in reverse and check blue. you should have 12v there and nothing on green.

These two steps should really help you find the problem.

great instructions, this is the exact process I used to figure out that my forward shift coil was toast and that my shifter was just fine.
 

KRH1326

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I am glad that you were able to find your problem, but sad to hear what it was . Big $ fix.

Clarification:

When testing the coil/mags in the first part, I mean to say to energize the wires going to the lower unit, not energize them back to the shifter. Just making sure that I don't forget to be specific.
 

2fast4u_evinrude

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I check the output of the switch and I am not getting any power from the forward. THere is power coming from reverse but wacky. Sometimes theres power and sometimes theres not. I think thats why the previous owner hardwired reverse to a switch
 

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Your switches must be heavy enough to handle the current of continuously energized magnet.

actually, a light just went on in my brain when I read that....

the reason the switches fail, is because of the collapsing field when the magnet is de-energized.... i.e. shifting to neutral
there is a potential for 100's of volts of EMF trying to jump the gap
OMC should have put an arc suppression diode in that circuit...
 

KRH1326

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Re: Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

I check the output of the switch and I am not getting any power from the forward. THere is power coming from reverse but wacky. Sometimes theres power and sometimes theres not. I think thats why the previous owner hardwired reverse to a switch

Gotcha, I missed it. Long hard day.
 

KRH1326

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Re: Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

actually, a light just went on in my brain when I read that....

the reason the switches fail, is because of the collapsing field when the magnet is de-energized.... i.e. shifting to neutral
there is a potential for 100's of volts of EMF trying to jump the gap
OMC should have put an arc suppression diode in that circuit...

I didn't think of that either.
I had to build my own shifting system so that I could use both cabin and bridge controls. I used a set of morse controls up and down all linked together. I built a stainless rod set up, that connects to the common shift cable.

I used roller lever end switches that control motors. I think they were rated for 240 v 60 amps? can't recall. both switches have normally open and normally closed circuits. Utilizing the normally closed circuits, boat must be in nuetral to get power to my ignition.

When I throw the shift, one switch gets made, utilizing the normally open circuit, shifting the lower unit.
I met the above criteria, and used industrial, heavy load switches. Someday when I have time, I draw it up for forums approval.

Good night guys.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Omc Sterdrive no forward, just reverse gear

There is another guy out there that rebuilds switches. He wants a lot of money $200 or so. Might be same guy that you are buying from but not sure. I would do that before I used that push button guy. It wouldn't prevent you from shifting while under throttle is the problem.

http://omc-switch.com/omc-switch_001.htm
 
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