OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

dan t.

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

sorry, cant help with the manual, it went with the boat when I sold it 6 years ago kind of stupid on my part but hindsight is 20/20 vision
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

I am starting to piece back together my upper unit and my manual is calling for locquic primer on all splines and gears. I can't seem to find it at any stores around here. Is that a critical item?
 

chiefalen

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Grease. Light coat. But what i did was soak everything in gear oil. It's heavy and stays on everything. Or corrosion pro comes in a can.

What was the damage in the upper? Don't leave me hanging.

How are the ball gears the one with the fingers ?
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

The damage was just the pinion shaft internal splines being worn. I changed the shaft. The gears and bearings look good to me. no heat discorloration, pitts, chips or other noticeable problems.

I will lube up the parts.

The ball gears are about 1/2 worn, maybe a little less. I was trying to hold out another year with those.

Hope this all goes back together without a problem.

One more thing, after the I already installed the lock nuts for both shafts I realized I didn't put any thread lock on the threads. I am debating doing that. suppose i'll have to gete another set of lock nuts.

Sorry about the PM thing, I'll learn the rules!
 

shawnb

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I was going to post a couple of pics but how are ya supposed to do that when the max. file size is 97k. I guess I should figure out how to crunch them down.
 

chiefalen

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No thread lock no anti-seize. You torqued to specifications? You lucked out.

About the ball gears don't let them wear down past 3/4 it will put undo stress on everything and then we will be talking about a new upper and bearings in the ball gear drive shaft that goes thru the transom.

119 plus shipping for the complete set. Well worth it.

You got the complete water pump kit with the housing i see in the pic the one in there is all fugazied up, you need a new one.

Golden rules if followed with this drive will serve you well.

1- Never ever run this drive except fully down all the way.

2- Never start this motor with this drive even for a second, without water going to the drive.

3- Never go over 1200 rpm on the hose, you will collapse the hose and water will stop going to the drive and the impeller will be toast in 2 seconds.

The impeller on this drive is oversized compared to other make drives and sucks water like crazy a hose cannot keep up delivering water to it over 1200 rpm.

Keep us posted and when your done you can do the tilt if not done yet, i can give you the post if you like when your ready.
 

chiefalen

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There is no one better then Don s when it comes to the posting of diagrams and pics.

What he forgot most never learn.

Pic would be good before you put it back together but you got the eyes on it and the hands on it trust yourself you will be alright.
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

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ready for reassembly

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chiefalen

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Your a sly one. I thought you were new to wrenching??

How did you clean up the drive so shiny and new looking??

Sure you don't want to throw on a set of ball gears now??

We are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Soon you will be getting it wet.

Keep going.
 

shawnb

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A little paint stripper, and fine sandpaper. Most of the mechanical components were in real good shape due to previous owner. I aim to do the same. not bad for a 25 yr. old!

Maybe if I could find a cheap set of ball gears I would replace them.
 

shawnb

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I'm really concerned about the lack of threadlock on lock nuts. All that vibration and movement, do you think the nylon will hold it if torqued right?

Those nuts are done after one use correct? Say if i decided to pop them off and apply sealant and reinstall.

Live and Learn!
 

chiefalen

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One time use. Pop em you will have to replace em. I never used any thread lock. You are doing great, fantastick actually you don't even need me.
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

I really want to leave you alone but one more question.

I put the upper assembly (less the steering components) back together.

Thing is, it is really hard to turn the ball gear by hand. Is that alright? I just figured it would spin a little easier manually than it does.

It does spin smooth with no grinding sounds though, so I suppose that is a start!

Thanx.
 

chiefalen

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You have the shims in??

You do mean the ball gear in the upper??

You have it totally back together with the water pump installed and everything?

Your not bothering me and never will, i live for this stuff.

Be specific about how much of the upper is back together?
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

shims are installed. there were only shims on the bearing housing, not the ball gear shaft.

Pinion shaft is installed.

ball gear shaft is installed.

water pump installed.
 

chiefalen

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Yes you should have resistance, the impeller is providing it.

Your good to go. I'm standing by for your next post.
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

Again many thanx to Chiefalen for the aide. I got my upper unit together, pressure and vaccuum tested. All appears to be well.

My potential jam is that the marks on my ball gears (for alignment purposes) are gone. They all look fairly uniformly worn (about 1/3 or a little better gone)
although I know that is not the case. Am I in trouble if I don't get them exactly where they were. Does that put too much stress on them?
 

studdy05

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

Great Post.

I have rebuilt my upper about a half a dozen times over the last several years - many times just because I was a novice and worried something wast right.

Few thoughts:

1. Turning the gears even without the impeller in you get a suprising amount of resistance - at least to my way of thinking - I imagined it spinning effortlessly and that is wrong. And once the impeller goes on, WOW. It makes you think you did something wrong in a hurry. The resistance is remarkable. I know where you are coming from.

2. I didnt measure the amount of gear lube I put back in th first time. Just waited until it "filled up." Turns out this was only about 2 ounces given all the back pressure from good seals before it bubbled out the top. Turns out that 2 ounces is about 2 quick trips on the lake before you get to buy another set of gears and practice your rebuilding technique.

3. I used the cheap arbor press from Harbor Freight - about a hundred bucks but worth its weight in gold to me. They also have a bearing puller and seal installer kit that is DIRT cheap ~15 bucks and perfect for the OMC 800 seals.

4. I also cross referenced the uber expensive Timken bearings at the local Orielly Auto Parts for a savings of about $150 - with nice bearings that have a lifetime guarntee. National is the brand I got and I was/am impressed with them. The OMC upper bearing sizes are common and have been used for years in other things like a Lambo front wheel and a 73 Chevy rear end.

5. All the upper seal kits I have used have the nuts in them that you use once and throw away. Reusing a nut is dicey.

6. If the balls are evenly worn, losing the mark is not the worse thing in the world. It has happened a lot to me over the last 4 years. (I pull mine alot - like I said, I am a tinkerer.) So far no problems.

7. I am going out on a limb here and this is my own personal opinion, not supported by the masses on here for sure, but shimming tolerances are over blown in the books. Natural gear wear, used gears, oil viscosity changes due to temperature, micro debris can and do make shimming an art not a science. Books talk about oil film on new gears and thousanths of an inch like it's rocket science and you are prepping for a moon lauch. As long as you are smart, dont have two left hands, and double check things, then the rebuild should go OK. Bad luck can make the most diligent things look stupid but it is not that hard to get these uppers back in shape.

8. The worst thing about the OMC stringer to me is the reverse. Because the throttle and gear shift are one controll, and that the tilt mechanism can roll up on you in a power reverse move, reverse just stinks. I am probably going to modify my personal craft and seperate the two, even though the liberals will shout at me for getting rid of the safety mechanisms of a shifting system that was not that well thought out.

9. And for an extra amount of safety, I added an onboard 12v emergency sea water pump that is spliced in to the hose going to the thermostat. A shut off valve in between keeps the pressure right when the impeller is working properly and if it ever blows at sea, then I have an instant backup to get me back to shore.
 

shawnb

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Re: OMC Stringer upper pinion shaft

That was some great advice.

I took the boat out on the water yesterday to mess around for the first time since I put it back together.

Nothing broke and it ran fine, a little pat on my back and a confidence builder.

A couple troubleshooting questions if anyone has input:

Last year it grinded into reverse and it was really hard to get into reverse.
I knew I needed to do some adjusting. However yesterday after I hooked up the assembly, it shifted into forward and reverse fine, smooth with no grinding (don't know what I did!?). Should I run with it, or is it critical to set the nominal neutral?

Also in a different thread I posted that the engine stumbled on acceleration but ran great once planed out. I payed attention to the symptoms better yesterday.

It fired right up and ran nice at 1000-1100 RPM. After a couple minutes of running like that i put it back to neutral (700 RPM) and it stalled. Is that a choke adjustment? After running at high idle for a few more minutes, when I put it back into neutral it was fine.

Then when I tried to take off it had the same problem. I put the throttle down gradually and for a second it wanted to take off, then stumbled badly
until out of nowhere it took off and all was well?

Sorry about the length but I wanted to get that out for anyone willing to dish out some info.
thanks.
 
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