on the hose overheat question

ziggy

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i've not had any overheat issues at all this year. temp has been real good. new impeller and housing over the winter. 3 year old manifold and riser, aftermarket. flushed after ea. use. water hose between the bellhousing and gimble housing is new and not kinked.
yesterday however. i was doing a little pm. only thing that could have effect on the cooling was i adj. the timing. off by 3*. and rolled the engine over w/o sparkplugs in it. just turning it over a few degrees at a time to lub the gimble brg. in different places. i did that w/o water flow.
so anyways. while setting the dist. timing. idling at 550ish. i overheated up to just under the red in my no number gauge. :( anyone know how hot that is?
so far, not to many inspections. checked the tstat. boiled it in a pan and it's ok. no impeller fragments at the tstat. pulled feed hose off and seem to be getting a respectable flow.

since i feel like i should be hip. my question is this.

could low flow from my garden hose be my problem. i usually run on the muffs w/o anything else water wise on in the house. but yesterday, the gf got a load of wash in while i was running i think. my water pressure certainly goes down when the washer's filling. if that occurred while idling could that be a possible cause of my overheat?

after my inspections, i ran it on the hose again w/o issues.

only other thing that comes to my mind is perhaps a exhaust restriction. i know when i drain my manifold i usually have to unplug the drain hole for the scale that blocks it. perhaps that scale has worked it's way back to the riser?

should i be going and looking at my rubber parts since the overheat. flappers. impeller (which had low waterp ressure flow)...

i'm gonna see if it overheats here in a little bit again. the gf's gone so will have full water pressure.

anything else i should be going and looking at.... i was planing a river run this weekend. that ain't where i wanna get hosed at if that's where this is heading..
 
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Don S

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Re: on the hose overheat question

could low flow from my garden hose be my problem.

Sure could,

I doubt you burned up any hoses of flappers, you still had water, just not as much, plus, the exhaust temps aren't near as high at idle with no load as it is at high rpm and under load.
But............... There is only one way to know for sure.
 

ziggy

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Re: on the hose overheat question

Sure could
after thinking about it all night. that was my only conclusion that i could come to also w/o going and inspecting parts.
But............... There is only one way to know for sure
yep. i understand. may have to go look...
one inspection down i guess. thought it was good i didn't see any impeller fragments at the tstat though..

assuming it stays cool on the hose here in a bit. i was thinking maybe a quick trip to the lake for a hard run and see where i'm at. thinking that if it passes both them test. perhaps i will take my chance on the river. assuming this is a fluke because of water pressure. i guess my biggest concern right now is i melted my flappers and will end up with an exhaust restriction. thanks for the help..

off to idle up and see where it leads me......... hum, telephone call. guess that just got postpones a little bit for work that just came up... good, i needed the work to pay for the boat...
 

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Re: on the hose overheat question

fwiw.
i did get to the lake yesterday. all went normal. 2 wot runs. all was normal. sustained 3k run, all was normal. i think i dodged the bullet...

did a compression test too. was happy to see it similar to this springs results..
 

IVAZ

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Re: on the hose overheat question

Good deal.
It almost sounds like your not quite satisfied though.
 

ziggy

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Re: on the hose overheat question

It almost sounds like your not quite satisfied though.
welllll, i am satisfied that it operates proper, right now. i did overheat it to a degree. not full blowen pegged hot. but too hot. i know what too hot does. it melts rubber. so i won't be totally satisfied till i go look and see no melted water pipe guide tube, or melted flappers in my exhaust passage when i pull the drive this fall. or maybe even take the riser to exhust pipe bellows off and actually see the flappers still intact. or a, god help me a melted waterpocket cover... or any other melted parts too...

since it's running well, i 'think' i'm hip. i just don't 'know i'm hip is the way i guess i'd like to phrase it.... so you were correct in your read. pretty good ivaz being able to sense that just through words only w/o any other input... specially since i didn't say it out right that i wasn't quite satisfied.... which is in fact the way i feel about it....
 

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Re: on the hose overheat question

I think yer worrin' too much....
I have the same gauge as you & trust me, it will peg well into the red....
You had water flow, just not enough to completely cool the engine, it was still spitting water into the exhaust, like Don said, it wasn't under load, BIG difference...:)
 

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Re: on the hose overheat question, update w/pics

Re: on the hose overheat question, update w/pics

well, i never went and looked at anything after all that...

doing my yearly impeller inspection/replacement now.

check out my impeller...

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starting to melt rubber on the friction side... cracks on inner vain on all vains... there was also melted rubber on my housing that i was able to remove w/ effort...

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started hardening the outer friction surface...

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nice curl to it. granted it's only been out of the housing for a day at time of this pic..

glad i kept my eye on my gauge all season with no real effects really. but it appears there was damage done that day. i wondered if there wouldn't be. there was smoke coming from the drive that day too..

sure don't take much to damage these alpha1 style impellers...

best i know, that was the only incident i had w/ my i/o this past season. never ran it out of the water other than that i can remember.. so i assume that damage was done with this low water flow.... just food for thought for others...
 

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Re: on the hose overheat question

Depending on your house's water pressure you can definitely get a slight overheat if someone runs the wash or takes a shower...happened to me the first time I winterized the boat back in 02...motor started to overheat...then normal...then overheat....was able to winterize it and then looked at the impeller...just a little heat damage on the ends of the fns...no big chunks...but the metal cage in the Cobra impeller shifted a bit...I replaced the whole thing...easy job...on a Cobra...
After I went inside in the basement and saw the folded laundry...mystery solved...now tell eveyone...no wash showers or toilet flushing when they hear the boat motor running in the driveway....
 
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