only 3800 RPM at WOT - loss of power under load -- please HELP

reeldutch

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put that saved gas money towards fixing your motor.
 

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good to know.

87 is what I thought too, but both my dad and brother kept hyping higher octane.. I kinda pushed abck saying exactly what you said but then relented just to make them happy ( give them the warm fuzzy that I was listening to their advice...)

but-- with the price of gas- I will be going back to 87 on my next tank.

thanks for the info
 

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Both impeller change and carb rebuild are pretty good get your feet wet kinds of repairs for a newbie mechanic. Executing the troubleshooting procedures was twice the complexity of any carb rebuild. You shouldn't have any problems.
 

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Sure. Probably want to start a new thread for that when the time rolls around.
 

Dennisanoka

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Prior to beginning the carb re-build please review the post below sent to me by Joe Reeves. You will find it very helpful and my keep you from having to do it twice or 3x like yours truely. Some of it is specific to my engine but the general info. will pertain to all. I would like to put emphasis on the "clean all orifices with a wire or whatever it takes". All of the jets and ports, and orifices. Gunk won't leave by itself.

Dennis.... All of the jets and passageways pertaining to fuel are conmmon to the high speed jet as fuel must pass thru the high speed jet before it can travel to the other areas.

In the above, I say pertaining to fuel due to the fact that the jets that are installed at the top front area of the carburetors at a angle are "Air Bleed" jets that meter air, not fuel. However, since the air being metered is mixed with the fuel, those jets could also be considered common.

On the 1988 90hp Evinrude/Johnson, the jets are as follows:

Idle Air Bleed Jets (4) = Screwed in at an angle in the top forward portion of the upper carburetor body = .034 (Marked as 34)

Intermediate Speed Jets (4) = Screwed in straight down in the float body = .026 (Marked as 26C)

High Speed Jets (4) = located in the center bottom portion of the float chamber = .056 (Marked as 56C)

I'd suggest that you double check the locations of all of the jets. Also, if you didn't actually clean the high speed jets with a piece of single atrand steel wire, do so as merely soaking them in solution and/or blowing them out with air doesn't do the job thoroughly.

Note that simply blowing a carburetor out with presurized air does nothing to a fouled carburetor. That one small bit of gum causing a restriction will absolutely resist any amount of air you could apply to it.

(Carburetor Cleaning)
(J. Reeves)

If you do not have a regular carburetor cleaning solution container, a very reasonably priced one can be found at many automotive type stores. Should there be a "Advanced Auto Parts" store near you (Formerly Discount Auto), they have a one (1) gallon container (resembles a one gallon paint can) that contains the carburetor cleaning solvent and it even contains a parts basket. Last price I saw on that item was only $10.00 and was under the "Gunk" brand name.

Remove and dismantle the carburetor completely. Remove any rubber, plastic or nylon parts that may be attached to it as cleaning solvent will attack that material. Clean the carburetor thoroughly, not only soaking it in the solvent, but also cleaning it manually wherever needed with whatever tool or piece or wire etc might be required. Solvent alone, although it does a great job, sometimes doesn't get it all. Check your parts manual closely so as not to miss various parts that might create a problem..... such as the small nylon bushing/bearing that exists on the tip of some slow speed needle valves.

Use a complete carburetor rebuilding kit when assembling the carburetor. Using old gaskets etc is a no go unless they were recently purchased and a second look, double checking ones work is in the process.

Carburetor kits usually come with extra parts that would pertain to other carburetors and not necessarily to the one being rebuilt. This is just common practice by manufacturers too eliminate the need for numerous kits..... a keep it simple thing. Simply don't use what you don't need.

Core plugs are included with most kits BUT they don't necessarily need to be changed. Keeping in mind that there are usually a group of exit holes under those core plugs, a rule of thumb is if air can flow thru the passageways and you can feel the air coming out the exit holes under those core plugs, it's generally okay not to change them. The exception would be if you can see a bit of some kind of debris hanging down thru one of those holes, then obviously the core plug needs to be removed regardless of the air flow.

Changing a core plug. Keeping in mind that the critical carburetor casting is not too far beneath that core plug, USE CAUTION in removing it! Drill, or by using a sharp pointed scribe of some kind, create a small hole in the core plug, then insert that scribe or a tool of your choosing and simply pry the core plug off BUT DO NOT insert that tool too far so that it contacts the carburetor casting. To install the new core plug, sealer is usually not needed, simply lay the core plug in its seated area, then tap the center portion of it with a rounded flat proper size punch. This causes it to spread out sideways which seals and locks it into place.

A final note........ Do not ever use any kind of sealer on a carburetor OR anything pertaining to the fuel system. The exception might be an external core plug whereas one could use a substance called "Gasoila" if one thought air might be escaping into the carburetor via its edges.

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-John...tc?refid=store


Hey fellow father, I have 5 kids at home and re-built the entire engine last year and the carbs 10 days ago. The only issue was that my wife began to think I had a mistress name Evin Rude.
 
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Hi,

Maybe it is solved by now...but...

I had similar problems, but at about 2000 RPM, no more power.

I checked the external water seperator which was full of water and a rusty colored fluid (I think there had been water in the seperator for so long it had started rusting). I then checked the in line filter which had the same problem so I changed them both. After that I took out and cleaned the spark plugs which were very black.

After that, out again and the power was back!!

Good luck!

David
 

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this may bsound liek a stupid question... but-- where is the water separater?
 

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Thanks JB
 
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jrousell

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I already replaced the inline fuel filter
I do not see a separatye water separator
 

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I pulled both carbs. I openned them both up, cleaned all the parts and used new parts for teh rebuild kits....and close dthem back up.

Tomorrow I will put them back onto the motor.

The thing I am worried about it- they looked pretty good inside. No viewable varnish or gunking. No wear on needle valvles etc... heck , everthing was titgh etc....

I am kinda worie dthat we didnt; find the root of the problem afterall....

we'll soon see
 

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Even though you think they looked good, consider the pics of a float valve from my carb. With my naked eye I thought they looked ok but upon closer inspection as you will see here they were in terrible condition. This is why there just aren't any short cuts to doing it right.
 

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jrousell

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The Results are In

Took the boat out this weekend. It is MUCH better. Took off as I woudl expect it to when I put the throttle down. Went up to 4900 RPMs in respectable time.

Ran consistently all weekend pulling the kids on innertubes etc...



One last question -- I ahve heard 5500 RPM as my target to hit. The boat has never been above 4900 or at most 5000 since I bought it. Is that just a question of prop selection?

It has what I thougth was a pretty non aggressive pitch prop on it already( 17) for a 115 HP outboard... it is a 19' aluminium runabout style boat...
 

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good to hear the carb cleaning brought it back up to 4900, witch is not enough at wot.

17" pitch should push a 19" aluminium with a 115hp
way above 4900 rpm.

are you shure the tach is acurate?
before messing with anyting make shure to have the rpm's verified with a other tach.

where is the antiventilation plate compared to the bottum of the hull? even should be a good starting point.

are you shure the prop isnt damaged?
 

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some more information

it is a 19.5 ft aluminum hull boat. But it is a very deep and wide-beamed boat, heavier than any aluminum boat I have ever seen this length.

It currently has what looks liek a michigan 13.25 x 17 pitch prop in excellent confition.

The plate looks pretty near inline with the bottom of the hull.

I am cruising along at 36 mph at WOT and seems to have good punch. I am not necessarily looking for more speed.


How could I confirm the tach reading?
 

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36 mph is not bad.

im just a little wuried about your rpm's.

if you are realy have a wot of 4900 thats lugging big time. not good for the motor at all.

i had a 110hp on a 20" mako 5400 with a 17" wheel going about 35 mph.

double check if the gauge is good.

sometimes people mess with it.
if you are 100% shure the gauge is good and the calibration is good than we can investigate further.
 

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you will need a other tach like a tiny tach that wraps around the spark plug wire.

didnt you get a timing light with tach on it?
 

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sadly I bought the timing light without a tach ( cost $40) instead of the one with a tach (cost $100)

The money tree that I keep in the backyard is pretty bare this month.

running at 4900 will casue damage you think? The manual says 4500-5500 at WOT ( I relaize that is a pretty bog range...)
 

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yes its not good to run the motor at 4900 rpm.
and yes the manual tells you to run it in between 4500 and 5500. Operating range.

always set up at the upper quarter or higher.

you want to reach 5500 with a average load.
meaning wait added to the boat.
pulling tube
gear etc etc.

if you ignore it you will defenatly lug the motor and will end up with piston ring failure.
do a search for ring failure or something and there are plenty of posts about it.
the crossflow v4 do not get there hp from torqeu.
they get it from rpm.
they love rpm as long as you give them the right gas and oil.

i think your tach is telling you lies.
probbably you are running a lot more than your tach is telling you.
 
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