Outdrive identification. VP

[Khris Kraft]

Hi all and thanks for helping me with my other current thread here called "glue vs clip VP SX exhaust bellows".
So now I'm dealing with VP dealer parts dept trying to get bearings, bellows, gaskets and clamps etc. The first thing they ask is "what model is your drive?".
Then the trouble begins. There is no tag at all anywhere on the drive. Why? I don't know. I bought the 99 Chris Craft with 200 hours on it from original owner after the original motor blew due to an oil problem. The original owner had the engine block replaced somewhere and it's an aftermarket block so the numbers don't mean a thing to the vp dealer. I was told that it's an SX C-2 drive from another dealer but he was guessing from pictures. I do have the hull number and volvo checked to see if it was registered in their system and of course its not. I have supplied all the ID #s anywhere on the engine to them and of course they are hesitant to sell parts now because they don't want to "guess at parts". I wish VP would have just stamped the numbers on a few locations rather than a plate that either got corroded off / sanded off / sand blasted off or what ever happened to this one. I will attach pictures and info and I'm pretty convinced yes this is an SX drive... but parts guy want to know "which one". Thanks forum is awesome.

Only info on tags; Volvo Penta Drive Prod# 3868718 / Ratio 1.51 / Type (Left Blank) Serial #T0821144

 

[Khris Kraft]

Found another number today while cleaning up the housing. D-2 3852270 does that help me at all? Thanks all

 

[Fun Times]

Bought the 99 Chris Craft.

The original owner had the engine block replaced somewhere and it's an aftermarket block so the numbers don't mean a thing to the vp dealer.

If only the block was replaced and not the engine accessory components then the ID numbers should still apply to get the correct blot on component accessories at the very least.

I was told that it's an SX C-2 drive from another dealer but he was guessing from pictures.

Only info on tags; Volvo Penta Drive Prod# 3868718 / Ratio 1.51 / Type (Left Blank) Serial #T0821144

3868718 is the product number which helps shows the drive to be a SX-C2 as suggested...., http://www.volvopentastore.com/Mari...on_id.520051808--store_id.366--view_id.765236

And just for reference, 3852270 ='s https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l1313&_nkw=3852270&_sacat=0

What engine numbers you have?

 

[Khris Kraft]

If only the block was replaced and not the engine accessory components then the ID numbers should still apply to get the correct blot on component accessories at the very least.


3868718 is the product number which helps shows the drive to be a SX-C2 as suggested...., http://www.volvopentastore.com/Mari...on_id.520051808--store_id.366--view_id.765236

And just for reference, 3852270 ='s https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l1313&_nkw=3852270&_sacat=0

What engine numbers you have? Hi Thanks for the reply. My boat is shrink wraPP

If only the block was replaced and not the engine accessory components then the ID numbers should still apply to get the correct blot on component accessories at the very least.


3868718 is the product number which helps shows the drive to be a SX-C2 as suggested...., http://www.volvopentastore.com/Mari...on_id.520051808--store_id.366--view_id.765236

And just for reference, 3852270 ='s https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2510209.m570.l1313&_nkw=3852270&_sacat=0

What engine numbers you have?

Hello and thanks for your reply with the info. Greatly Appreciated. My boat is currently shrink wrapped in my driveway right now and I cant tear it all off to raise the engine compartment to look for numbers. Normally I would but the upholstery guy is not done with my top and my canvas protects the dash and interior. Im also currently sanding the bottom paint (black anti fouling) and it helps keep the white interior clean.
As far as engine numbers go, I tried that route about 8 years ago and kinda came up with nothing. If you think the original numbers are stamped on any of the component's that were transferred then let me know which ones and where, I will be glad to look soon. I didn't think they stamped the engine numbers anywhere but the block "Back Then". I understand in automotive the vin# are on everything and now I expect that maybe engine block numbers might be found in different locations beside the block. When i did look for engine numbers on the new block, the location that I was looking at was the flat spots in front of the manifolds (on the block) , but nothing was there. Can you suggest other locations for the engine numbers that may be on this aftermarket replacement block? So I will understand, if I did get you those numbers how do you think it will help getting an ID on the system?. Wouldn't it just tell you the MFG name, year and maybe displacement? Or dont marine engine numbers work like that? Im willing to try anything thanks. Also just while I was sitting around wire brushing my stuff I typed into google the numbers I saw on the housing. D-2 3852270 with many references to SX Cobra D-2. Maybe both SX C-2 & SX Cobra D-2 shared the same gimbal housing? Thanks for everything.

 

[Khris Kraft]

Exhaust bellows.. cut on purpose or torn. Seems way to clean of s cut to be torn.

Gimbal bellows.. looks like last guy just jammed in on over corrosion and maybe that's where my 3 tablespoons of water came from? A very very slow leak?

Gimbal bearing 2 seasons old seems very tight and full of uncontaminated marine grease. Don't think I will change it. Should I? I think I might know the answer ..but please share your thoughts on these 3 things. Thank you

 

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My boat is currently shrink wrapped in my driveway right now and I cant tear it all off to raise the engine compartment to look for numbers. Normally I would.

No rush... If you ever get in there with time to spare, have another look around the engine and then either type in @ my username inhere to see if maybe I or someone else can help find some other info out about your engine parts if still needed/wanted/desired, etc..

As far as engine numbers go, I tried that route about 8 years ago and kinda came up with nothing. If you think the original numbers are stamped on any of the component's that were transferred then let me know which ones and where, I will be glad to look soon. Can you suggest other locations for the engine numbers that may be on this aftermarket replacement block?

Being the block was switched you most likely won't find Volvo serial type numbers on the block but there's a 50/50 chance there was a sticker either on the valve cover, Flame Arrestor Cover or electrical box type cover that had the engine size and Model Product Designation Application (Numbers/Letters) ((5.0 GXi-E)) like the examples below, It would help get you to certain areas of finding the right parts when asked...Again for presumably the engine block was only changed and everything else stayed pretty much the same equipment.

Look up your Engine Serial Number | Volvo Penta US

How do you look up your Volvo Penta engine serial number? The identifier of your engine and key to efficient servicing. Do your serial number search here.

www.volvopenta.com

So I will understand, if I did get you those numbers how do you think it will help getting an ID on the system?. Wouldn't it just tell you the MFG name, year and maybe displacement?

The Volvo Penta's designation numbering/lettering system is One of the main things most need to know to help locate the correct parts catalog including yourself when you want to look up parts online vs calling a bunch of places/dealers, etc..

 

[Khris Kraft]

Thanks for all the above. Regarding your last answer;

"The Volvo Penta's designation numbering/lettering system is One of the main things most need to know to help locate the correct parts catalog including yourself when you want to look up parts online vs calling a bunch of places/dealers, etc.."

I was asking about if I supplied you with the current engine block number ( the reman block id) how would that help you?

I know the missing AQ number is the big missing puzzle piece and the parts guys / dealers are handcuffed without it. Not a good system..but I understand it's because of all the product they have sold over the years with the different changes.

 

[Khris Kraft]

How about this?? Not sure if I listed it any where before in my other thread or this one.

Engine model number 572BPBYC
Serial T01307985

Drive unit model 68718
Serial T00B21144

 

[Khris Kraft]

And...

5.7 GS

 

[Khris Kraft]

Loving the way I'm responding to my own posts

But... is it possible I have an OMC drive that had VP SX badging? If I google the 572BPBYC this is what I get

1998 OMC Stern Drive 5.7 - 572BPBYC​

Now I'm confused but I'm sure one of the forums experts will set me straight. Thanks & Happy Easter Sunday.

 

[Fun Times]

Loving the way I'm responding to my own posts

But... is it possible I have an OMC drive that had VP SX badging? If I google the 572BPBYC this is what I get

1998 OMC Stern Drive 5.7 - 572BPBYC​

Now I'm confused but I'm sure one of the forums experts will set me straight. Thanks & Happy Easter Sunday.

That's it, you now have a way to find your own engine parts that bolt on to the new block (and honestly probably the inner block too if ever needed)...,https://www.crowleymarine.com/johnson-evinrude/1122.cfm

The 0T serial number was usually an indication it was an OMC application before Volvo became involved in the early to mid 90's.
For info regarding the new block typically you might be able to find the engine block casting number near the rear of the engine and search out the number online for general info.

...

Happy Easter everyone.

 

[Khris Kraft]

LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND

Under the left tilt trim ram (which I never took off myself during the 8 years I have owned it) was these 2 rivets and a plate covered in crust. I wipe it down and here I hope is the correct plate info. I have been looking all these years for this plate to be in places suggested by dealers and mechanics.. but no one ever mentioned behind a ram way forward hidden by both ram and housing. Here is info. Can someone translate and confirm identity? Thanks so much.

Product #3868718
Ratio 1.51
Serial T0821144

 

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Only info on tags; Volvo Penta Drive Prod# 3868718 / Ratio 1.51 / Type (Left Blank) Serial #T0821144

LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND

Under the left tilt trim ram (which I never took off myself during the 8 years I have owned it) was these 2 rivets and a plate covered in crust. I wipe it down and here I hope is the correct plate info. I have been looking all these years for this plate to be in places suggested by dealers and mechanics.. but no one ever mentioned behind a ram way forward hidden by both ram and housing. Here is info. Can someone translate and confirm identity? Thanks so much.

Product #3868718
Ratio 1.51
Serial T0821144

You'd already had this number / info previously in post #1...

https://www.crowleymarine.com/d/tech_article/locating-omc-model-numbers
An example of what may be found on the engine somewhere/sometime,

With all that mentioned, this should be all that you need to find and order parts for everything, https://www.crowleymarine.com/johnson-evinrude/1122.cfm

 

[Khris Kraft]

You'd already had this number / info previously in post #1...

https://www.crowleymarine.com/d/tech_article/locating-omc-model-numbers
An example of what may be found on the engine somewhere/sometime,

Yes but those tags were stickers on electrical box on risers so I kinda got the hairy eye ball from parts guys because they couldn't trust that those were "the actual #'s on the actual drive that is actually on the boat now." Because the block was replaced and I didn't have the "actual AQ engine number" so they considered those risers and equipment might not be the "actual original equipment that came with the original engine" These parts guys around here are looking for any loop hole not to go an extra inch to help anyone out. They just about want us to come in, pick the part off the shelf, leave cash on the counter and nod on the way out.. So when I found the "actual tag that IS on the actual drive that is on the actual boat now" I got very excited. I would say we have an "actual" confirmation now.

 

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Now I was able to give you all the tools too do their job for them which was the original question in here.

 

[Khris Kraft]

Yep but again thanks for all your help and everyone else's also. In my thin defense...I was not looking for an "OMC" tag location as until today and my recent 572BPBYC search that first mentioned the OMC reference. I have been stuck on searching for SX drive tag locations and never saw any evidence of a missing tags rivet holes where it was supposed to be. . I guess OMC made drives and my 1998/1999 year was the transition between OMC cobra and the VP series? I have been told and I think from the previous registration that the boat is registered as a 1999 but the drive gear comes back to 1998? I could see how that could happen during a model change during production. I mean they need to make the switch at some point. I don't know..just speculating at this point... but it seems my quest is over. Now to obtain the correct parts. Thanks to everyone who participated and look forward to further info / comments about this OMC / Volvo mix thing.

 

[Khris Kraft]

All my parts are in way. Coming from a local dealership here. The parts & service guys have come to this conclusion after I battered them with newly found numbers and pictures all weekend. Does this sound good to anyone?
Email from VP dealers after their confirmation my order has been filled. I asked "so is my outdrive an OMC cobra Or a VP SX?

Reply; Your Volvo Penta Model drive is SX-C2 and Your Transom Model is TSKSX-C2A2.

 

[Khris Kraft]

All my parts are in way. Coming from a local dealership here. The parts & service guys have come to this conclusion after I battered them with newly found numbers and pictures all weekend. Does this sound good to anyone?
Email from VP dealers after their confirmation my order has been filled. I asked "so is my outdrive an OMC cobra Or a VP SX?

Reply; Your Volvo Penta Model drive is SX-C2 and Your Transom Model is TSKSX-C2A2.

Still trying to pin down my drive and boat info. Found this tag today after uncovering the boat and getting into the engine compartment. I could not take shrink wrap off before today as my canvas guy was holding all my canvas hostage. I got it back today. So I'm now wondering if I'm OMC or VP.
My boat was 1998 and I guess the switch over was mid year 98. I think the engine model number is different from what I posted before. Before I posted it was 572BPBYC. But the tag says 5728PBYC.

And still wondering about my drive. Please take a look at the attached picture and let me know what you think.

Thanks for all your help along the way.