pee hole not peeing??

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barbwire44

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Ordered a water pump and it should be in this week, but is there anything else that would cause this?? It is an 81, evinrude 115. Has sat for a year or so before I bought it, fires right up but with the muffs on it only drips water out the peehole. Like I said I ordered a water pump kit, but thought later what if it is something else,,can bad thermostats do this???
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

Pull the tell-tale hose off and blow through it, there could definitely be something stuck in it, sand or a spider or something, you'd have to be pumping almost no water to have just a drip.
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

sometimes just shooting the gagden hose with a nozzle into the hole is enough to clean it out,or a piece of wire
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

pull the hose, don't push stuff into the motor. pee stream is an indication the impeller is pumping, it is not an indication that the tstats are opening and cooling the motor. the hoses get clogged by critters.
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

I may try that, as usual I jump the gun and start ordering parts, I got the boat home fired it up with the muffs, the peehole just dripped, I went in the house got on the phone ordered a pump kit, then started reading posts looking for tips tricks to do the water pump job and read where someguys had clogged hole, bad thermostats etc..... I will clean the pee hole out tonight, maybe it will do the trick and I guess changing the water pump is probably a good thing to do anyway.
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

water pump every couple years, if it's not due now it will be soon enough, you'll have one "in stock" so to speak. enlarged prostate is the most common cause of ....... sorry, couldn't resist ................
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

Well it was definately the water pump, that baby had 2 fins left on it and the exit hole was plugged all but solid with rubber shavings, actually had to run a bore brush through the copper water line to clean it out, Almost all back together, that damn bolt on the shifting linkage was giving me a fit last night so I quit before it upset me. figure I will give it a go tonight and finish her off
 
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dont want to be a bearer of bad news,but,I suggest you pull the thermostats out and chek everthing there,including the poppet valvesthat are part of that unit,its located at the rear base of the block,2 hoses and held by 3 bolts that make that shifter pin look like cake,as for all these bolts including the shifter,I like to use 1/4 drive swivel head sockets,they are not made by every tool maker,but craftsman started making em a few yrs back,the shifter pin can be put in place with one of the grabber tools,has a couple fingers on the end,you can get them at any tool or auto store,its easier if the cable is disconnected,you can also grab the shift rod either under the powerhead pan ,under the carb area or down by where it enters the lower unit under the motor mounts,look for it you will find it,with a vise grip or a strong needle nose you can persuade the shifter to do what you want,another trick,put a piece of paper in your socket so the shift pin cant sink in,then pack it with grease ,the grease will hold pin from falling out,if you use a swivel,put some tape on the universal part so it doesnt swivel so much,to get at the thermo bolts,its sometimes wise to remove the bolts that hold the pan up,at least in the rear,they are located just forward of the heads,usually 7/16 head,
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

Mikesea, I appreciate the advice I may go ahead and do that, the only thing is after cleaning the tube, I did start shooting a little water up in it with the hose real lightly at first just to get the rubber debri to fall out the bottom, then shoved the hose on the tube, and started blasting with the hose, actually had a nice stream running out the peehole at that time, seemed to be a pretty clear passage through the system. But that darn linkage bolt is in a nasty place. I did get the exact tool you are talking baouyt with the four little grabbers that you squeeze and release. So hopefully if all goes well I will hook the water pressure gauge up tonight and see how everything looks. I will go ahead and check the stats, you have me nervous now...LOL!!!
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

you may be lucky,first the thermo's may have been removed,which is not a good idea,in S.Fl.we usually gut the thermos just to provide a little resistance,but thats on oldie engines only,do yourself a favor and check your heat horn,best way is disconnect the tan wire that comes out of each head,there should be a rubber insulator with a quick connect ,put the key on on and take the eng.side of the wire to a good grd.listen for horn,hopefully it works,if not ,think about changing it,it is located on the wire harness by the key switch,if you have a control box(not a dash mounted key)the horn is inside(sucks)or you may have a temp guage,,but they usually only read from one side of the engine ,it takes a little longer to register if the trouble is on other side,SOOOOO,first test run,after a bit of run,feel the heads,if you cant keep your hand on it for a few secs,you may have a thermo prob,note if 1 side gets hotter,you could very well have cleaned it out,just dont want to see you get suprised on the big trip
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

Mikesea you seem pretty knowlegable on this topic. Can you help me with a 1958 kiekhaefer mark 58a (mercury) that isn't cooling properly? The impellor looks fine, but the little bit of water that does come out the spitter hole is really hot and the engine itself is also hot. I have shot the hose up the water tube and shot water from the back of the spitter hole into the motor, but nothing. I put my mouth on the bottom of the water tube and blew, without much resistance. I don't know what to do, my next idea was to take off the cover on the back of the motor that will lead me to the place where the water enters the motor. Any ideas?
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

barbwire (or as we say round here, "bobwar"), if I could just amplify mikesea's comments - the pee stream (technical name "indicator") does just that and nothing more, which is, it pees ("indicates") that the pump is pumping......it doesn't indicate that water is circulating through the powerhead, meaning that water doesn't have to pass through the thermostat in order to reach the pee hole.
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

To kinda go along with this topic I have a question.

When I run my motor with the muffs to flush it out (I run in saltwater) the water coming out of the pee hole is warm. Is this normal? Also I let the water continue to run through the system after turning off the motor. When the stream stops I then turn off the water. Is this okay to do?

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Re: pee hole not peeing??

cwlandefeld said:
To kinda go along with this topic I have a question.

When I run my motor with the muffs to flush it out (I run in saltwater) the water coming out of the pee hole is warm. Is this normal? Also I let the water continue to run through the system after turning off the motor. When the stream stops I then turn off the water. Is this okay to do?

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Yes it's ok to have warm, not hot, water coming out the pee hole. Also it won't hurt anything to run the water for a couple seconds after you shut it off. It's better to start the water BEFORE you start the engine and stop the water AFTER you stop the engine.

For the future though, it is recommended that you start your own thread, even if you have a question related to a current thread that someone else has started.:)
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

One more question on this topic, what is the proper operating temperature of this engine,,,140,150,160,170,180????? I am gonna take it to the lake tonight and give it a test run, I have a laser heat gun and figure I can run it some and check the temperature by shooting the head with a laser, just wanna be sure what is a safe temperature to run, the horn doesn't work. I am gonna order a horn, but would like to check the temperature anyway.
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

if you have thermostats they should open about 145,engine shouldnt get hotter than163 with your reading on the water jacket cover,which is the outer part of the head,surely there is a little give and take

to the guy with the merc question,you should start you own post to avoid confusion.andmight get more info on the merc forum,however,impellers may look ok ,especially to a non mechanic(with respect)but they often loose their full capaility over time,just sitting is worse than use,go for a new impeller,be sure the housing isnt pitted,the older housings deteriorate and cause a air bubble situation that effects flow as well,if the engine was run in saltwater,you may have a salt buidlup in your water jacket passages,but deal with the waterpump first,impellers should be changed yearly
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

mikesea, hey man just wanna thank you again, your help has been great and appreciated, I'll let ya know tommorrow how she tests out tonight, if all is good, the engine is goin on my family fun boat this weekend!!
 
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Re: pee hole not peeing??

darrklim2 said:
Yes it's ok to have warm, not hot, water coming out the pee hole. Also it won't hurt anything to run the water for a couple seconds after you shut it off. It's better to start the water BEFORE you start the engine and stop the water AFTER you stop the engine.

For the future though, it is recommended that you start your own thread, even if you have a question related to a current thread that someone else has started.:)
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Thanks and sorry for posting here. I will start a new thread next time.
 
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