Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

maryhannaj

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Re: Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

Oh. By the way, pretty big type-o on elevation. It is 4750 feet of elevation, not 7540. Sorry about that.
 

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Re: Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

Yeah considering the low compression, she sounds a lil tired. I wouldn't start bolting high(er) performance parts on right away either. Just keep yer eyes'n ears open, watch Craiglist, Ebay, etc for a good running post '83 140, that way it'll be prop rated hp.

If you believe you're up to rebuilding one, it might surprise you just how quickly & inexpensively you can collect parts and/or dead motors. I've run these crossflow blocks, hard, for many years. Blown a couple up during the process, but managed to accumulate a crapload of parts. (Along with a slight bit of knowledge?) Without spending too much money.

The crossflow design might not be the most economical, but when you got one running right they're dang near bulletproof. And if you got deep pockets you can build one up to 200 psi compression that'll spin 8K rpm on 100 octane avgas.

Note this does effect the reliability some ...
 

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Re your hull: I believe that boat to be a HPV 160, not a 165. Unless I'm mistaken the HPV 165 was a dual console design?

Regardless. Hope for the best'n prepare for the worst when ya start pokin around the floor/stringers/transom in that tub. Cuz ya never know what ya might find.

Can you post any pics of the hull, say from the rubrail down?
 

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Oops sorry. That's not the right pic. Think this is it:

I want me one'a them thar killer fishin hats too ...
 

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Re: Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

I'm workin on getting you those pics. Having some trouble with that. Just so happens, I could use some parts like those.
I wish I had some usable stuff like that in my garage. I think I will keep it at a 120 hp marked motor for liability purposes. The tags say 120 max. But what's underneath doesn't necessarily always match, right.
The tags do call it a 165 and the previous owner said he removed the other consol. You can tell where one has been removed.
I am real exited to get into it actually. I am working on a way to remove the motor. I don't have a hoist and would rather use the money for parts and materials, so I will figure something out.
I have rebuilt dirtbikes, cars and untill recently have spent the last number of years working aircraft so I would really like to get inside of this tired Johnson and help her out.
Besides, I would rather look at a motor than a television set. I just happen to have one of those cool fishin style hats I will give ya!:) thanks again for the help.
 

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I had a highly cherished hat I got from Granpappy Jack decades ago. Khaki colored with a extra long, dark brown bill. Had a sailfish embroidered in it above the brow. Me'n my buddies always referred to it as "The Sportfisherman". Clueless as to where it went but turned up missing somewhere along the way. Dang I miss that hat!

I 'member when Grampa owned it he had a specially sized bucket in the garage that he kept to stretch the hat around if it got wet, to make sure it didn't shrink as it dried. Nothing pissed him off more than a hat that was too tight ...
 

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Re: Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

FWIW almost all the 115s, crank or prop rated came with the 1 5/16" carbs, so did the 135 and most of the 140s. For a couple years in the late seventies the 140 came with 1 3/8" carbs. The 1973 135 had the highest compression heads, later yrs had less and less compression. The Turtleback(bubbleback) exhaust can be added but will require some machining of the block.
 

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Good to know. Thanks.
 

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I hope it was a small bucket or that he had a big brain.
 

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Re: Performance upgrades on 1982 Johnson 115. Any Ideas out there?

your top speed is way too low, its miles too slow for that boat and that engine.
its a 115hp, ok so its rated at crank ,but that would still be a 100hp today so should be quicker on that boat.
you should easily be 48mph plus with your set up at moment.
But the engine is a bit too low for high top speed, it needs to be up a good deal, the higher the better as long as the
water pressure is still good.

exactly what prop is this your using ? make and material ?
to have a 21 with 5500rpm with 2-1 ratio means your getting tons of slip or prop is not correct size as stated.
you should be getting 5500 rpms minimum when full throttle or the engine is not getting full power, but you might have bad tacho and not getting the 5500 you say it is revving at.
you should be able to swing a 133/4 x23 prop as well no problem, unless like said at the top of this topic the boat is very wet in the foam.
All boats with foam are great UNTILL water starts to get in, then they are rubbish and take on the water but the foam don't release it,
even over time it never fully dries out.
take the boat to a local weighbridge and see what sort of numbers come up, its easy to work out weight of trailer and engine so then see what the boat weighs.
you might find the foam needs to come out and be re-newed, I just took 500 pounds of weight out of my 13ft boat by dumping the old water logged foam.
found the boat sits 3 inch higher at standstill too.

Now the fin on the engine will not make the slightest bit of difference when up on plane, the fin wont even be touching the water if
the engine is in right place on transom.
putting the cav plate level with bottom is fine on a slow cruiser,on a speed boat hull that is wrong place for it.
the cav plate realy don't do much at all when the boat is on the plane, and should be at the very worst scenario slightly touching
the water at full speed.
cav plate level with hull is old school and wrong.
this is why jack plates do come into play.
hydraulic is obviously better, but you can get a manually adjustable plate to do a good job.
if its just the top speed yopur after then a manual adjustable jack plate will be perfect as you can adjust it by a simple spanner and get it idel for top speed.
but going up with the motor will give slower pull away from idle to plane !!!!!!

do a decarb and get the compression up a bit, give the carbs a real good clean and check the timing.
if everything engine wise is good then the boat itself has a problem !!!! very wet or untrue hull bottom.
also make sure the bottom is nice and clean with no algae, ive lost 5mph before now on a speedboat due to dirty algae growth on hull bottom.

post a pic of the transom with engine etc
try to get a pic of the gearbox when running at full throttle, youl need someone to lean over and take a pic, then you can see if the cav plate is above or below the water when full throttle.
if its touching the water its too low and will be killing your speed big time.

to get the most speed from the engine the centre line of propshaft needs to be 1-2 inches below the very bottom of the hull at the very centre of transom, then youl need a chopper type prop and will see high speed numbers.
the cav plate would be around 5 inches higher than bottom of the boat

with the 21 pitch you should be getting 49mph with 10% slip at 5500rpm.

post a pic of the back end so we can see what the engine to hull looks like
 

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It is a 12 3/4 by 21 pitch according to the markings on the prop. As for brand it doesn't say that anywhere that I have been able to find.
The prop itself is made of a steel material, painted, not a polished finish.
After reading all of the post replies, I believe more in the possibility of wet foam etc...
There are other things like the extra gear aboard and the extended casting platform and support framework that will be adding a lot of extra weight as well.
I am going to work on some more photos for everyone today but I am having some difficulty with posting them.
Thanks for yet even more great info phillnjack2.
 

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Thanks for the pics. That hull is based on Glastron engineer Mel Whitley's 'Super Stable Vee' (SSV) design. "HPV" stands for High Performance Vee btw. Though the bass boats were a lil lackluster in that regard. Art Carlson may have even had a finger in the HPV cosmetically. But he wasn't fully 'involved' in the project. Had he been the model designation would've been "CHPV" ... And it'd been a helluva lot lighter'n faster

Speaking of crossflow performance upgrades this is a frankenrude I'm just starting to put together: Ported '78 140 block w/light crank, milled '83 high comp heads, balanced 020 Wiseco pistons & rotating assy, cut bubble butt, lightened flywheel, etc.

Not to start a fight but it's been my experience that these motors aren't exactly built to rocket science specs from the factory. They're purty sloppy to begin with. Which is a good thing cuz that means there's alotta room for improvement. Fwiw I've never had a major problem mixing & matching parts that were within tolerance.
 

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The crossflow design might not be the most economical, but when you got one running right they're dang near bulletproof. And if you got deep pockets you can build one up to 200 psi compression that'll spin 8K rpm on 100 octane avgas.

Note this does effect the reliability some ...

V153-
Just wondering if you need special pistons/rings to get to 200 psi?
Thatd sound great on muffs
 

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maybe here are some more photos? Not quite what I had in mind!
 

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V153-
Just wondering if you need special pistons/rings to get to 200 psi?
To the best of my knowledge no. But they do cut 'scallops' in the side & add what they call finger ports below the wrist pin.
 

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Thanks for that,
Do you know why they cut out all these bits of it?
 

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Once again
 

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Theses bolts are slightly recessed in. Does that mean rotted transom?
 
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