Piracy on the High Seas and the British Fleet

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jinx

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from todays New York Times Op-ed. I can't imagine this goes over well with the sailors of the Royal Navy.

"ON April 11, French commandos went in with guns blazing and captured a gang of pirates who days earlier had hijacked a luxury cruise ship, the Ponant, and held the crew for ransom. This was the French solution to a crime wave that has threatened international shipping off Somalia; those of us who have been on the business end of a pirate?s gun can only applaud their action.

The British government on the other hand, to the incredulity of many in the maritime industry, has taken a curiously pathetic approach to piracy. While the French were flying six of the captured pirates to Paris to face trial, the British Foreign Office issued a directive to the once vaunted Royal Navy not to detain any pirates, because doing so could violate their human rights. British warships patrolling the pirate-infested waters off Somalia were advised that captured pirates could claim asylum in Britain and that those who were returned to Somalia faced beheading for murder or a hand chopped off for theft under Islamic law.

A violation of human rights? In 2007, 433 crew members were either taken hostage, assaulted, injured or killed by pirates. Three seafarers are still missing and presumed dead. According to the International Maritime Bureau, the anti-piracy watchdog of the International Chamber of Commerce, over the past 10 years 3,200 seafarers have been kidnapped, 500 injured and 160 killed.

Modern-day pirates are not like Errol Flynn or Johnny Depp swinging through the rigging, but well-armed militiamen equipped with rocket-propelled grenades, assault rifles, global positioning systems and high-speed motorboats who have long terrorized the shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden and literally gotten away with murder. During the week before the French raid, half the pirate attacks in the world occurred in the gulf, a strategic waterway that leads into the Red Sea and thus to the Suez Canal and Europe. Two weeks before the attack on the Ponant, a huge crude-oil carrier ? a monster of a ship as long as the Chrysler Building is tall ? en route to the Middle East was attacked by pirates firing automatic weapons. The vessel managed to flee.

The Ponant was not the first cruise ship attacked off Somalia. In November 2005, the American ship Seabourn Spirit was attacked. The quick action of the master and the use of a Long-Range Acoustic Device, a sonic weapon that can blow out eardrums, drove off the pirates (an unexploded rocket-propelled grenade, however, did embed itself in the stateroom of a passenger). The Ponant will not be the last cruise ship to be attacked; undefended passenger vessels are among the ships that are most vulnerable to pirates (the Ponant, for example, has a water-hugging swim platform that made it easy to board).

Hijacking a ship and kidnapping the crew for ransom is a lucrative business in Somalia. It is less risky than robbing a bank and more profitable than pulling up half-empty fishing nets. Two weeks before the Ponant was captured, Somali pirates released the British-Irish-Russian crew of an ice-breaking tug traveling from Russia to Singapore who had spent 47 days in captivity. The captain had surrendered his vessel after the wheelhouse windows were blown out by gunshots. The ship owner paid a ransom of about $700,000. The French were reported to have paid $2 million for release of the 30 crew members of the Ponant before their military took action.

This is not a problem without a solution. Just a few years ago, piracy was out of control in the Malacca Strait, the waterway through which 80 percent of crude oil to Japan and China is shipped. But the recent combined efforts of the region?s littoral states ? Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore ? have nearly eliminated piracy in the strait. The French are hoping that a concerted international effort off Somalia will have similar success.

France is also lobbying the United Nations Security Council to adopt an international anti-piracy law. Jean-David Levitte, the top diplomatic adviser to President Nicolas Sarkozy, said his government hoped that the organization would consider the creation of an international military force ?to deal with this plague.? Once we could have expected the British to lead such an effort; now we don?t even know if they will join it.

The British fear of breaching the human rights of pirates has not gone down well in the maritime community. Andrew Linington, the spokesman for Nautilus, a British-Dutch seafarers trade union, has called the Foreign Office?s policy ?a get out of jail card? for pirates.

?We despair,? Mr. Linington told me. ?We are meant to be a major maritime country. The U.K. is heavily dependent on maritime trade ? 95 percent of trade comes and goes by sea. Yet the Foreign Office has its head in the sand. It is just wishing the problem would go away.?

The British attitude has come a long way since the days when pirates were chained to pilings at Wapping and left there until the tidal water of the Thames ebbed and flowed over the bodies three times. So much for Britannia ruling the waves."
 

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This is a subject that I actually follow with interest, as somebody who hopes to someday be a world cruiser.

I say the British government is being totally wimpy on this issue, and I applaud the French for taking action. These SOBs (the pirates) are not in any way good people, and I actually think we ought to go back to hanging them on the spot.

In my opinion, they forfeited their "human rights" the moment they became pirates.

We all like to glamorize pirates (and I've been guilty of it myself, I must admit), but the reality is that pirates -- especially the modern-day ones operating off Somalia) are scum who should be eradicated from our seas.
 
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& they are Muslim as well, a two fer.....;)
 

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Did the home office say anything about not killing the scum? Seems to me that is a logical thing to do if you are ordered not to take prisoners.

"Take no prisoners" has been a directive to kill the enemy for centuries.
 

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The Brits have gone soft. It is going the way that it has been prophesied. The time is ripe for the Argentinians to think about re-taking the Falklands.


Hmmmm? Makes me wonder. Who will be next?
 

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The only downside I can see is,I believe, the French don?t have capitol punishment.:mad:
 

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& they are Muslim as well, a two fer.....;)

That's about the most inexpert opinion I've ever heard. Congratulations!!

Making war on an entire religion is pigheaded. It's exactly what's wrong with folks like Al Qaeda.
 

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... back to sea trial, arg!

Wiki:

Walk the plank"

Pirate walking the plank, as painted by Howard Pyle.

Walking the plank is a phrase that describes a form of execution or torture that was practiced by pirates, mutineers and other rogue seafarers. It involved the victim being forced to walk off the end of a wooden plank or beam extended over the side of a ship, thereby falling into the water to drown, sometimes with bound hands or weighed down, often into the vicinity of sharks (which would often follow ships). The earliest known use of the phrase dates back to the latter half of the 18th century. Some writers in the 20th century speculated that walking the plank may be a myth created by cinema; however, the phrase "walking the plank" is recorded in Francis Grose's "Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue"[1] which was published in 1788 (first published in 1785). In the Shipman Prologue in Geoffrey Chaucer's 14th century The Canterbury Tales mentions the Shipman making those who tried to hijack his ship to "walk the plank."
 

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I think the civilized nations of the world should band together and form a special sea force whose only task is to find and kill these mofos.

I'd gladly join the ranks of such a force -- in fact, I'd lobby to do so!
 

jinx

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That's what finally happened after the War of 1812 when the British, French, Dutch and Americans joined together to clean out the Mediterranean Sea of the Barbary Pirates once and for all.
 

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That's what finally happened after the War of 1812 when the British, French, Dutch and Americans joined together to clean out the Mediterranean Sea of the Barbary Pirates once and for all.


...Yabut, we/they did not have to play the game of tolerating the intolerable back then!
 

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...Yabut, we/they did not have to play the game of tolerating the intolerable back then!

True. The whole idea that the British government is worried about these scumbags' "rights" is the most ridiculous part of the story.
 

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That's about the most inexpert opinion I've ever heard. Congratulations!!

Making war on an entire religion is pigheaded. It's exactly what's wrong with folks like Al Qaeda.
Aw, c'mon Chewbacca, the Phil Sheridan principle applies to Saracens as well.....;)
 

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Aw, c'mon Chewbacca, the Phil Sheridan principle applies to Saracens as well.....;)

Oddly enough, I've always applied it to conservative trolls. You know--the kind who deliberately misspell your handle just to get a rise out of you?

For those of you not in the know, the "Phil Sheridan principle" refers to the legend that Sheridan once said "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." A Saracen is a Muslim. You do the math on what Haut Medoc is implying.
 

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Oddly enough, I've always applied it to conservative trolls. You know--the kind who deliberately misspell your handle just to get a rise out of you?
You must be from King Co. originally.....:)
 

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Ok fellows, chill out a little now.
 

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Kind of hard to believe the British not being "duty" bound, seems like that has been their trademark. Don't need a U.N. anything (probably won't happen anyway, at least not with any teeth). Maritime law already covers piracy.

http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/conven/unclospart7.html
Article 100
 

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Ok fellows, chill out a little now.

I'll tell you something--I gave up on this board a couple of years ago when several posters ran roughshod over the posts of anyone who even smelled of liberalism, coming in with name-calling, personal attacks, and general rudeness. I came back because it looked like most of the offending parties had cleaned up their acts. Then I see these posts from Haut Medoc--both of which advocate the killing of Muslims simply because they are Muslim. Surely that violates the "Rules and Guidelines." I know it's best to ignore him, but I can't stand seeing the crap he writes just sitting there unquestioned.

How am I supposed to "chill out" when someone suggests, with a wink, that it's appropriate to kill people because of their religion? Would such a post be tolerated if it targeted Christians?
 
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