Price for 2 cycle oil

[TheOilDoc]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

Some important comments....<br /><br />

Originally posted by seahorse:<br />

Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by Pride of Glasgow:<br /> TCW-3 is TCW-3 and nothing else. It doesn't matter if it says kwik-e-mart or Rolls Royce on the label.

Im sorry, but your information as simply untrue, Wouldnt it be nice if it were though!<br />

LubeDude is correct...each of the oils tested had a completely different formula.

Actually Pride of Glasgow is correct. The TC-W3 specification recommended by the engine manufacturer has absolutely nothing to do with the formula of the oil, or the label. TC-W3 is simply a pass/fail performance-based certification. So yes, a TC-W3 certified oil is nothing more or nothing less than a TC-W3 certified oil. And that's all your manufacturer recommends.<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br /><br />I beleive that the Walmart oil is probably the worst oil you can by.

There is no evidence to support that. In fact Walmart SuperTech oil is probably one of the most popular oils used, primarily because consumers have great success and confidence using it. It meets and exceeds the NMMA's TC-W3 specification, and has no history of problems. The fact that it is less expensive because it is sold in large quanities and marketed by a huge organization is only a bonus.<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br /> <br />To Quote TheOilDoc, "It dosnt really matter whats in it, its how it performs that counts"! Or something like that.

That is correct. Again, TC-W3 is a performance-based qualification. It has nothing to do with the oil's formulation, brand, or price. It is tested for pass/fail in actual outboards by measuring the wear of the engine's internal parts.<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by seahorse:<br /><br />TC-W3 NMMA certification does not allow the oils to have the same formula, each one has to be different.

That is incorrect. Once a candidate oil is registered, tested, and certified as TC-W3, the sponsor may distribute that oil as it desires. In other words, if Shell's candidate oil became TC-W3 certified, and Shell decided to market that oil to WalMart, WalMart would not have to get that same oil certified again. It is already registered, tested, and certified. Also the NMMA is not concerned about different candidate oils or sponsors use identical formulas. They are only concerned that each candidate oil (whether copied from a competitor or not) is seperately registered, tested, and certified. However, it is true that only one registration number is assigned to each candidate oil. And any change in the candidate oil's formulation will require a new registration number followed by complete testing, except where approved readacross guidelines and solvent substitutions are met. Keep in mind that once an additive system has achieved TC-W3 approval, additional approvals can be obtained for any formulation changes or use of different basestocks if certain guidelines are followed.<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by seahorse:<br /><br />All companies cerifying oil with the NMMA have access to the testing results of the others. It is all on a non-disclosure agreement and they can also see how their lube compares with the others on the market.

That is incorrect. All candidate oil test results are owned by the OTDA (Office of Test Data Administration). Candidate oil test results can not be used, divulged, or discussed by anyone other than the sponsor of the candidate oil. Statistics on data from individual test sponsors are not provided, even if coded. The NMMA is allowed to review the sponsor's own candidate oil test results with them. If oil companies had access to their competitor's TC-W3 oil test results, you would find that information used in their marketing; ie: "ours performed better than theirs in TC-W3 testing". The NMMA TC-W3 certification process is not intended for that purpose of exploitation, and thus each candidate oil's test results are confidential.<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br /><br />I have seen actual results with Used oil Analysis and actually the SuperTech diesel oils dont hold up as far as wear metals and holding in grade anywhere near as good as the Dello 400 and Rotella does.

If you have actual outboard engine wear results showing that SuperTech oil doesn't hold up as well as other oils, then please post them. Otherwise....

 

[BillP]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

I've swapped several emails with the NMMA asking questions like the ones posted here and have to agree with the oildoc. Here's the contact for technical info for the NMMA if anyone wants to hear it from the source...<br /><br />tmarhevko@nmma.org

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br /><br />I have seen actual results with Used oil Analysis and actually the SuperTech diesel oils dont hold up as far as wear metals and holding in grade anywhere near as good as the Dello 400 and Rotella does.

If you have actual outboard engine wear results showing that SuperTech oil doesn't hold up as well as other oils, then please post them. Otherwise.... [/quote]<br /><br />I read through your whole post thinking that everything you were saying was very accurate, then I came to this:<br /><br />You can allways manage to take something I say and turn it upside down and take it completly out of the conversation.<br /><br />We were talking about a freaking tractor!!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />We all know that you cant test outboard oil as a UOA. <br /><br />Plus, if you are going to quote me, use the whole quote!!!!!!<br /><br />"I beleive that the Walmart oil is probably the worst oil you can by.<br /><br />Now, with that said, I would run it in a pinch and have no problem doing it, Its a TC-W3 oil and will work OK. My feeling is just that you can do better".

 

[TheOilDoc]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude, throughout this thread your comments about SuperTech oil have been very negative. For example:<br /><br />

I beleive that the Walmart oil is probably the worst oil you can by.

I did not taken those types of comments out of context, rather I gave you every opportunity to explain them with something more than your ill-informed opinion.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

There is no reason to discuss this with you any farther, as it seems that you have no brain! <br /><br />Now thats what I call negative! <br /><br />Ive only stated that I beleive the SuperTech TC-W3 oils to be at the bottom of the TC-W3 oil chain. Prove me wrong.

 

[JB]

Re: Price for 2 cycle oil

You made the statement, BF AKA LD. <br /><br />It is up to you to prove it, not to someone else to disprove it.<br /><br />This thread has become the same old mindless bickering, so it goes.