Public support of a President

Parrott_head

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I read most of the posts here in dockside chat and have responded in a few of them.<br />What I have read in this forum has got me pondering things a bit.<br /><br />One questions I would like to ask is this.<br /><br />"Who, in your opinion,was the last president that had the support of the American public at large?" <br /><br />I would especially like to hear from the chronlogically blessed their thoughts.
 

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Depends on what the meaning of "at large" is. :D <br /><br />In my opinion, the likes of the NEA and the ACLU have caused this nation to become more secularized. As such, the "vast public ethic" has drifted toward the party that most represents "anything goes" ie the democrats. <br /><br />For the first time in history the two parties have come to represent the chuched (republican) and the unchurched (democrat). That has never existed before. Traditionally the Dems and Repubs were about equally churched. As that shift occurs we have seen tighter elections so comparisons of popularity, with yesteryear, do not hold today.
 

18rabbit

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For overall performance, it's George W. Bush. His average "popularity" rating has been at 50%+ overall.<br /><br />Think of a scale with pure communism on the left and total anarchy on the right. What we are seeing is an overall shift to the left. The “right” of today is where the “left” was yesterday. The Democrat party is today where the Communist party was 25 years ago. Old school Democrats hate their party, but neither will they abandon it.<br /><br />I think that’s what Boomyal is referring to when he suggests the “left” is unchurched … the communists do not embrace religion in a way that is familiar to us. It is more about mysticism for them.
 

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Quoth 18rabbit:<br /><br />"the communists do not embrace religion in a way that is familiar to us."<br /><br />They don't embrace religion at all. Religion is an anathema to communism/socialism. That was why Ike put "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance". It was to distinguish ourselves from the 'Godless communists'. Anything or concept that diverts focus or allegiance from the supremecy of the state is not to be tolerated by communism/socialism.<br /><br />Religion, especially Christianity, demands that the individual look to God and all that he represents, first. <br /><br />That is why the modern Democrat, as they move farther and farther to the left, is seeking desparetly to secularize this country. Then morality, right and wrong (as much as there can be in their PC world) and individual choices can be dictated by the state. Oh wouldn't Hillary and Ted love that day!<br /><br />There is a reason why Christianity, this country's predominate religion, is undergoing an increasingly relentless attack. It goes hand in hand with the Democrats move to the left and their hysterical shrillness over events that they see as a way to regain power.
 

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I most certainly do not consider myself to be a Democrat,and most definitely i am not one of the churched.However i do believe that "secularism" for the loss of a better term, has not been all bad,with the exception of a more profane society, we as Americans have become a more tolerant nation.<br /><br />Edit: I'm not a communist either, as far as popularity goes i'm not sure, but Teddy Rooseveldt,Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan are my heros. I also liked FDR but for different reasons.
 

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chronlogically challenged... LOL :p <br />most recent has to be Ronnie, right?<br />only problem here is that "polls" weren't taken<br />(or concerned with) for too many years...
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by Elmer Fudge:<br /> I also liked FDR but for different reasons.
“The New Deal” was a mainline shoot in the arm of communism. It laid the ground work for the redistribution of wealth that have been the drowning stone around the neck of every American citizen.<br /><br />You can argue who did more damage to the memory of America that we all fantasize about, Wilson or FDR. They were both evil entities.<br /><br />Or did I get the wrong Roosevelt, again. :D
 

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Originally posted by Elmer Fudge:<br /> i do believe that "secularism" for the loss of a better term, has not been all bad,with the exception of a more profane society, we as Americans have become a more tolerant nation.
Ahem, Elmer. And what was it that kept this nation from being as 'profane' as it has become?<br />And as far as 'tolerance' goes, I guess it depends on what your definition of tolerance is. If you mean tolerance of pornography or tolerance of taking the lives of millions of our potential citizens then you are right.<br /><br />If you are suggesting that we are more tolerant racially or genderwise I think that you have your head in the sand. This nation is purposefully being systematically Balkanized regardless of the lip service that the Liberals give to the subject. As far as gender tolerance goes, maybe you ought to check divorce rate statistics or take a close look at the incredible number of kids that are underattended by the family (playing out the roles in Lord of the Flies). <br /><br />If you think that tyranny by the few, when it comes to anti-religion (esp. Christianity), is any form of tolerance you are misguided. <br /><br />This nation has never been at such odds as it is today. The Liberals have become the master of George Orwells "double speak" and you have fallen victim to it!
 

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I can't tell you who had the most but I think I can tell you who had the least. That would be Richard M Nixon. His "I'm the salvation of the world, lets find a scape-goat" legacy lives on until today. It's instilled in us a cynism that keeps us from any type of productive discussion. It's not my fault. You won't have me to kick around anymore. I'm not a crook.
 

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Rabbit, I disagree with you on just one point: It is my belief the farther left we drift the CLOSER we get to anarchy. Anarchy with WAY too many useless rules and WAY too little individual responsibility. Not necessarily BECAUSE we're drifting left; they both have the same root cause IMO. Otherwise, I couldn't agree more. We're moving towards 'anything goes so long as you fervently oppose traditional values'. (So who is REALLY being narrow?) I have yet to see anything which has served to ultimately build up the people of this land aside from God fearing traditional values. Any direction which puts all the power into the hands of just a few elite who are too removed from "we the people" is a bad deal at best. Sure is slick how the lefties convince many that they are the party of the people when they are all about more taxes, more rules & restrictions, and doing whatever they can to gain popularity. Whose liberties get taken away? Who has to pay for this whole mess? If the left thinks we the people are so great then why are they in such a rush to create more and more rules telling us how to live and what to think? Power hungry self serving elitists buying votes is all it amounts to. A few may even be halfway sincere (I doubt it, though), but they are still 100% wrong about how to accomplish their goal if so. I would much rather see people being given more opportunity and freedom than taxation and restriction. More genuine help and encouragement than crass vote buying. <br />Whose silence has allowed this mess to happen? THIS is a very painful thing to me. The silence of those who say they have values is just as bad as the mantra of the left. Maybe worse.<br /><br />What do we mean when we say religion? To my way of thinking I'd call any attempt for man to reach toward the object of their worship religion. (True Christianity does not qualify as a religion; that is a living faith in the God who reached to us first) Semantics give us a lot of variety of what we might mean by the same words. I would classify communism as a very rabid religion, with man himself at the center, but in an exceedingly arrogant and selfish elitist fashion. Only those self appointed elite hotshots in the in group are allowed to think. Much like the cults. Boomyal, I like what you're saying too. But in the bigger picture, the abandonment of good sense and reasonable values is a ghastly symptom of a deeper problem than just political affiliation, right? At least if you look to what most of the founding fathers believed as True when they built our framework. Did they not believe in a benevolent Creator who we will ultimately answer to? But God will not dwell where man's selfish pride crowds Him out. No one is or was perfect amongst all humanity aside from the Savior. Good thing He isn't demanding we become perfect. He knows we just can't be. So what are we doing to acknowledge His mercies? Now we're actively trying to legislate God out of this land, slowly but surely. There has never been a better place than right here, especially when we mostly remembered how we got here. Unfortunately the distinctives which made us great as a nation are the values many would like to trash. So where will that get us? <br />Yes, we've grown polarized of late. But let us not forget which side is the one which has led the move leftward. The ones who pushed God aside (for the moment) and established man as pre-eminent. All the political/philosophical/pseudo-scientific trappings which go along with all this are merely an attempt to create a excuse for this selfishness! <br /><br />Man, will somebody please hide my soapbox! :D
 

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Bearcat, kinda reminds me of a past post, when a member(no names mentioned) was asked, in the absence of religion to establish our morality, what/who would? His answer was "I will. I'm perfectly capable of determining right from wrong" I have possibly paraphrased here but that was the escence of it. <br /><br />All you say is spot on. Why is it that the liberals cannot connect the dots, see a little cause and effect? Because most don't want to. Does anyone believe that Ted Kennedy et al believes all of the BS that comes out of his mouth. (not) <br /><br />What we are talking about here is no different than the Liberal welfare policies of the last 50 years. It was long apparent that welfare was destroying families, eliminating any work ethic, driving the recipients further and further from the mainstream while we were having to cough up more and more cash. <br /><br />Did the Libs ever come to see the light? No they did not, they fought tooth and nail to continue down that path. Are the Liberals stupid? NO, they had a hidden agenda. The very same as is going on today with all of the issues at hand. POWER, POWER, POWER and MORE POWER.<br /><br />They convince enough people, who are not in on the power grab, with their psuedo syrupy kindness and tolerance drivel, to keep them in the political ring and continue their march. And what they don't get at the ballot box they are getting through the loaded judiciary. (rant over)
 

bobingardner

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Could someone please post a link to the liberal agenda? I must have missed a meeting.
 

Boomyal

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Oh, you mean the Vast Leftwing Conspiracy, Bobingardner? :D
 

bobingardner

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Yeah, that's the one. I've heard about it but don't know what I'm supposed to do.
 

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Originally posted by bobingardner:<br /> Yeah, that's the one. I've heard about it but don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Just go with the flow, Bobingardner. You don't have to do anything. The liberal way is the easy way. Doesn't take too much critical thought. No such thing as tough love or right or wrong. You don't have to ascribe to any certain morality. You can sleep with whomever you please, he or she or who knows. You get to come up with solutions to problems(some that aren't even really problems) and it doesn't matter whether they work or not, just whether they sound caring. You have the choice to keep or kill little babies. You get to decide whatever suits your conscience. You know, whatever floats your boat, this week.<br /><br />Oh and lest I forget, you'll never have to stand your ground and fight a war. You can talk your way out of it. It's only mean people who fight wars and mean people suck.<br /><br />Stick a flower in your cap and enjoy!
 

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Ah there's got to me more to it than that. According to what I've heard on this board I'm supposed to be plotting to destroy the US government and bring on armegedon. I don't think being open minded, sensitive, compasionate, and willing to work for a better society is going to do that.
 

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Originally posted by bobingardner:<br /> I don't think being open minded, sensitive, compasionate, and willing to work for a better society is going to do that.
Just like I said, Bobingardner, Orwellian Doublespeak. <br /><br />Main Entry: dou·ble·speak <br />Pronunciation: 'd&-b&l-"spEk<br />Function: noun<br />: language used to deceive usually through concealment or misrepresentation of truth; also : GOBBLEDYGOOK<br /><br />OR<br /><br /> Pronunciation duh bEl spik <br /> Definition 1. obscure or confusing language, esp. when intentionally used
 

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You've lost me. I'm apparently trying to decieve someone?
 

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Originally posted by Boomyal:<br />They convince enough people, who are not in on the power grab, with their psuedo syrupy kindness and tolerance drivel, to keep them in the political ring and continue their march.
No Bobingardner, I sincerely believe you are in this catagory.
 
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