Question about GW Bush and Global Warming

jimonica

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Pointer,<br /><br />I hope this will end this debate once and for all.<br />Here is a statement from one of the organizations in your pie chart. Like I said, you use out of date info. This is the latest. Note the link provided, it goes into much more detail. It does state that global warming is caused by human activity.<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------<br />American Meteorological Society Endorses Academies on Climate Change<br />The American Meteorological Society (AMS), the nation's leading professional society<br />for those involved in the atmospheric and related sciences, has endorsed a recent<br />statement on climate change by the 11 national science academies.<br />The “Joint Academies’ Statement: Global Response to Climate Change,” released on 7<br />June by the U.S National Academy of Science and 10 other national science academies,<br />calls on world leaders to acknowledge the threat of climate change, address its causes,<br />and prepare for its consequences<br />The academies’ statement notes that sufficient scientific understanding of climate change<br />exists for all nations to identify cost-effective steps that can be taken now to contribute to<br />substantial and long-term reductions in net global greenhouse gas emissions that cause<br />global warming. The statement echoes the findings and recommendations of several<br />previous reports by the U.S. National Academies. The complete statement is available at<br /> http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf <br />The statement by the academies is consistent with the AMS in 2003 statement entitled<br />“Climate Change Research: Issues for the Atmospheric and Related Sciences.” The<br />AMS statement concludes that there is now clear evidence that the mean annual<br />temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in<br />the past 200 years. The Society also acknowledges that there is clear evidence that the<br />abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period.<br />The AMS calls for specific and focused research to address any gaps in the science to<br />make sound policy decisions.<br />The AMS statement is online at<br /> http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/climatechangeresearch_2003.html <br />All AMS statements are online at http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/Index.html
 

ob

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Interesting reading in the first link you provided jimonica.I did read a few "could" and "mays" in some of the projected outcome possibilities.The one thing I found ranging from just a bit to somewhat conspicuous was the fact that not one of the signatures at the end of the document was legible.Allbeit that many MDs ,scientists ,and the like are somewhat famous for illegible penmanship,either for legality or just apathetic reasons.It seems these guys signatures are uncanny in similarities.Maybe I'm just skeptical.<br /><br />So if one was to take the documents conjecture at its worst case scenario as to the effect global warming would have just on sea level changes at the current unabated rate,we're looking at a rise of between 3.9 inches to 3 feet by the year 2100.Assuming the low end projection of 3.9 inch increase were to happen by the year 2100,I'm somewhat confused as to how that would endanger the lives of some 6 million plus people living in Bangladesh.But then ,I'm not a scientist.
 

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QC here was my post directed to you.<br /><br /><br /> posted 02-25-2006 02:30 PM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />QC wrote,<br /><br />"This was my point when some were comparing our sitting Gov't to Nazi's and referring to conservatives as the "Reich wing". It is not as some have said that I was personally offended, it is that they were making a mockery of the horror of the Nazi's, those who fought to eliminate them and those who were eliminated by them."<br /><br /><br />You just about slipped this one by me QC.<br /><br />I have a question for you. Are you as "personally offended" when your brethren on the right uses words like "Marxist" to describe those on the left? And if so, why haven't you gone off on them in one of your hyperbolic states of outrage? Since many more people died fighting the horrors of Marxism than that the Nazis, I'm surprised this bit of insensitivity got passed you QC. Isn't the use of word "Marxist" making a "mockery" also of the people who died under this totalitarian regime? Or is your outrage only reserved for those on the left? If so than your a hypocrite, if not, than from here on out I expect you to be just as outraged when those on the right use such language.<br /><br />IMO, I don't think you were or are as outraged as you portray yourself to be. I believe, after reading your post for quite awhile now, that you never miss an opportunity to score cheap political points. As with what I believe to be a cheap opportunity on your part with your outrage about "reich wing", I also believe holds true with your obsession with "evil". <br /><br />You once said that you are a fan of Dennis Prager. I was listening to him one day and he also seems to be all over this "evil" thing. And I have to admit he did a very good job debating his reasoning in fighting "evil" and in the process defending GWB. I suspect that is the reason why you also are on this "evil" crusade. It's much easier to defend GWB in the context of him fighting "evil" than defending no weapons of mass destruction, Iraq having no ties to 9/11, no aluminum tubes, no proof of a sale of yellow cake, no OBL, defending illegal wiretaps, outing CIA agents..........on and on and on. <br /><br />So you keep on taking the cheap and easy debate and keep on bringing up "evil" and we'll stick to the real issues.<br />--------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Today QC wrote,<br /><br />"As to the Reich Wing comments . . . I think it is name calling, I think it is immature, and I think it is offensive."<br /><br />So QC, is calling people a Marxist also offensive and immature? These kind of name have been thrown around quite a bit on these pages without one word from you.<br /><br />As to my so called comparison of this administration to Nazi Germany. You refuse to understand that I was showing where we lie historically on the political spectrum. Is this group of neocons closer to a facist government, like the Nazis, than the Democrats? Absolutely. They're as far to the right than we've seen in long time. And every time Bush secretly tapes one of our citizens, every time Bush classifies another document and every time we lock someone up to be tortured we get closer to that facist style of government. Like it or not QC, that's my opinion.
 

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Oh I almost forgot. To bring this conversation full circle, when Bush says "we don't know the cause of global warming", he is lying! <br />It's hard to believe that it took 3 pages of post to prove that Bush is a liar. Should of been much easier. :rolleyes:
 

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Its not "the" cause of global warming.Human direct or indirect existance is "a" cause of global warming.
 

jimonica

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Ob wrote,<br /><br />"But then ,I'm not a scientist."<br /><br />No, but apparently your a signature expert. Or maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. :D
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> Ob wrote,<br /><br />"But then ,I'm not a scientist."<br /><br />No, but apparently your a signature expert. Or maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. :D
Bang.Nothing but sarcasm.I offered a few points and get blasted with critiquing sarcasm.Doesn't take an expert to notice that the signatures I mentioned are simply illegible.And you wonder why noone wants to debate with a self proclaimed liberal. :eek: And the commercial you refer to in your attempt at humor is Holiday Inn Express.You messed up the punchline,as if it was applicable.
 

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jimonica,<br /><br />Yes, I did totally miss that post. Again sorry. I think you make a good point. I'll take one exception. I have never called anyone here a Marxist, a Leninist or a Stalinist. I will consider the parallel you make as I agree more have died at the hands of Marxism (indirectly), Lenin (directly) and especially Stalin. Not to diminish those still dying at the hands of the Chinese and of course Castro and Kim to name the two most notorious contemporaries of the lovely threesome named above.<br /><br />I do follow and believe strongly in Prager's messages. What I have learned from him, and that which I am most proud and passionate to follow, is that human decency to one another should come first. Although, I am not particularly religious (maybe a topic for another thread), I think it is interesting to note that this concept is at the core of all major religions. Something I believe should be cheered not maligned.<br /><br />I am also uncomfortable whenever we lose or restrict our rights as citizens. However, I do believe that the threat form Islamic Fundamentalist Terror is real, and I support efforts to squish it. I also believe that Saddam Hussein was and still is Evil. I wish there was another word that didn't cause such an uproar, but it is the right word . . . I was disgusted when we didn't intervene in Rwanda (extreme Evil), but the fact is that despite that horror, there was not a direct threat to the US as we all believed there was from Saddam.<br /><br />This is feeling like a hijack, so I am gonna stop. I will commit as I have said, to thoughtfully respond to your posts. Peace brother.
 

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Welcome to iboats Allah!!
 

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Once again, three pages of shear entertainment.<br /><br />The Lefties are using the environment, Big Oil, and global warming to manipulate through fear.<br /><br />The Righties are using terrorism, religion, and morality to manipulate through fear.<br /><br />Just looks like six of one and half dozen of the other. Control is control.<br /><br />My advice, just search out facts and ignore whatever drivel is being spewed by whatever party is the flavor of the month.<br /><br />My opinion on Global Warming? While humans are not making things better, the earth will go through its cycles whether we like it or not. We may as well start developing some flexibility soon instead of shackling ourselves to a narrow lifestyle. We may be having to live with consistant 120 degree days in 20 years, or our country may be in a state of winter year round. We just don't know. We better start thinking about that, because we can do nothing to prevent it. We can only adapt. <br /><br />As individuals we can make a difference as far as the resources we use. Do we really need a new car every two years, can we be more efficient in our trips and fuel usage if we do choose to own inefficient vehicles? Can we recycle better, turn off the lights in rooms we are not in? There is a bunch of stuff that we can do as individuals that might not affect global warming or the speckle-throated tree yak, but will at least extend our resources. <br /><br />We cannot affect global warming. We can affect resource usage, and that is what we should be concentrating on. The fuel cell car may come eventually, but not until an efficient form of energy is developed to create the hydrogen. Whats the point if we have to burn a bunch of oil or coal to create hydrogen? Its just a different version of the same thing. Besides, the plastics used to create all this great technology comes from oil. Most of what we do comes from oil. We are shackled to oil, and that is the root cause of most of our problems. Anyone who can come up with a solution to that problem that doesn't force a major lifestyle change would be a rich, rich person....
 

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JasonJ,<br /><br />That was beautiful.. Hits it near perfect.. <br /><br />Your solutions are spot on and your approach is reasonable and well thought out. <br /><br />Thanks for your contribution.
 

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Pointer,<br />In all your 16 posts it was only the last one that didn't completely discount even the mere possibility of a detrimental human effect on our environment. <br /><br />You completely discounted any arguement, point, link, source, fact or theory that didn't agree with your own.<br /><br />IMO, a poor showing for the "conservative" view. :rolleyes:
 
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