Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

capnstabbin

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Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75hp 2 stroke

What type of gas should I use, buy the good stuff or no?

Any suggestions?
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Use the cheapest you can find!
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

nuff said - and to update you on the status of my engine.... well she's floating nice right now in her slip ready to go for the summer, small idle issue but nothing serious.
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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

For 2 stroke outboards 87 octane IS the "good stuff".
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Any engine runs smoother with the higher octane. Is it "needed"? NO. Is it a waste of money? YES.
 

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Any engine runs smoother with the higher octane.

I really disagree with this statement. Is there any evidence to support it??
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

The only word of caution is be a little careful with the fuel sold at the marinas and docks - I have no evidence but I have read stories that the quality of the fuel sold at such places can be lower than at the gas station pumps. In fact my old Chrysler manual refers to reducing the timing advance if using marina fuel - of course that was written in 1984 and things may have changed or improved since then.
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

I really disagree with this statement. Is there any evidence to support it??



Why, it's true because the gas companies tell us it is.....what more would you need? /saracasm


But you're so right, JB. Putting premium into an engine designed for regular will give absolutely no benefit--not smoother running, mileage increases, etc.--nothing other than lightening your wallet quicker.
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

But if you add acetone to your fuel it will run smoother......

:)

Strange but true
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

But if you add acetone to your fuel it will run smoother......

:)

Strange but true

Don't agree with that one either. There is sooooo much baseless mythology floating around I challenge you to produce evidence.

Acetone based concoctions are sold to absorb water in the fuel, but do nothing more.
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Oh! Pu-leesz! Here we go with the religion! I believe because I believe!

A.M. : You are correct about acetone. in the early automotive days it was a popular scam to sell acetone as a miracle compound that made engines capable of burning water. This was easy to do because people were gullible and very low acetone concentrations in water will burn. The engine will run as it were, BUT: Problem is it eventually destroys the engine.
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Just a couple of things.

In Australia, our unleaded fuel mix- no ethanol- is 91 RON. UNleaded Premium Mix is 95 RON, and most gas stations have 98 RON. The guy that I spoke to here said that he always runs 98RON. I would imagine that a bigger bang means a better explosion, which means more power. We might be talking .00000001 of a horsepower here, but, I wonder- does is burn 'cleaner'. If I always use a particular fuel, do I need to tune the carbs accordingly- i.e- if I do the carbs on a 98 RON, and then use a 91 RON, will the engine run as well? Does the engine burn cleaner on better RON fuels? I mean, we add oil to the fuel, therefore ( i would think) lowering the RON, but if you start higher, you finish higher? Dunno- ethanol is bad- but higher octane must be ok yes?
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Justin: A serious question deserves a serious answer. Octane is one of a number of straight chain hydrocarbons starting with methane at one carbon and four hydrogen atoms per molecule going up to ethane, two carbons and six hydrogen atoms. Replace one hyrogen with a hyroxy molecule (OH) and you get the alcohol ethanol. These long chain hydrocarbons can go up into hundreds of carbon atoms and gasoline is a mixture of both short and long chain to give a specific octane number.

A long time ago (and in a universe far, far away LOL) The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) set octane (8 carbon and 18 hydrogen atoms, clear aromatic liquid with a moderate flash point) as the base from which all other mixtures of hydrocarbons (gasoline) would be graded.

Pure octane was arbitrarily set at a 100 knock (detonation, pinging) resistance on a standard test engine. All other fuels are compared to the knock resistance of octane and can be higher or lower. All pump fuel sold in the US today (as far as I know) is less than 100 octane rating however, during the glory days of muscle cars, Sunoco did sell either 102 or 105 octane rated fuel. (Race fuel of NASCAR--can you spell marketing hype?) Muscle cars with 13 to 1 and higher compression ratios did require this high level.

The higher the octane of a gasoline, the SLOWER it burns (usually). Greater power is developed by increasing compression ratio, changing valve timing, and advancing ignition timing. Indeed years ago, when tourists took automobiles into Mexico from the US for an extended stay, the lower octane fuel sold there required timing to be retarded slightly. AND, if you remember, in the late 70s and early 80s, Chrysler advised changing timing on their outboards from 32 BTDC to 30 BTDC because of lower quality marina fuel.

So, in summary, higher octane fuels do not burn any cleaner, do not burn any smoother, and of themselves do not generate any more power. Their only advantage is in a engine set up to deliver maximum power and requiring them because of the factors mentioned above. ANY other use, especially in an outboard with only 8 or 9 to 1 compression ratio, is because of "faith" or "Religion" and a waste of money.
 

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Re: Regular(87) or Premium(93) gas for 1998 Force Mecury 75 2 stroke

Don't agree with that one either. There is sooooo much baseless mythology floating around I challenge you to produce evidence.

Acetone based concoctions are sold to absorb water in the fuel, but do nothing more.

I believe that through my automotive forum I have discovered as much about this subject as there was to know (this was circa 2007). My conclusions were

1. Adding small quantities of acetone to your gas on a carburetor engine can increase mileage by up to 2% (remember that number)
2. Some gas companies experimented with acetone as a component in their additive packages back in the mid 70's
3. The cost of the acetone outweighs any potential fuel savings
4. The EPA would freak out if we all started using acetone in large volumes
5. Acetone over time will cause further damage to plastic and rubber parts (ie fuel hoses, pump diaphragms)
6. It is virtually impossible to prove the fuel saving outside of a laboratory setup under very controlled circumstances
7. Acetone reacts differently with the 3 rare earth metals used in the construction of oxygen sensors causing issues with closed loop injection systems

So please don't bother trying it.
 
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