Reinell Restore

[cantaris]

Re: Reinell Restore

Well some good news and some bad news. The good news is I hooked up the battery from my other boat and the engine cranks over- meaning it is not seized. However there is a 10 gage wire that is attached to the neg battery wire and the block that started smoking and melted the insulation off. So got to find out why. There is a new starter with solenoid attached, but I noticed a separate solenoid with wires going to it as well. Suspect starter is hooked up wrong. Now the bad news. noticed alittle panel in front of the doghouse that covers the fuel sender. I see foam around the back of the fuel tank an lo and behold watersoaked. DUHN....DUHN... DUHN! I was kinda hoping to hold off on the restore until after next year. So I could figure out what I wanted to add/modify.

 

[oops!]

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yeah.... i thought shed be wet.

the drill bit size is small .....say 3 /16 ths...you just want to see the shavings.

the tape is there for a guide not to go thru the transom....

take several samples from various places.


if the transom is good.....you can do light boating with it....its not as safe as it should be...but the glass will keep its shape......so that one is your call.....but if the transom is rot.....shes unsafe and un useable

 

[cantaris]

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if the transom is good.....you can do light boating with it....its not as safe as it should be...but the glass will keep its shape......so that one is your call.....but if the transom is rot.....shes unsafe and un useable

I don't quite understand. If the transom core samples looks good then how come only light boating?

 

[cantaris]

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Well Started paying around with the engine wiring to day. Have a short somewhere. Disconnected all the wires at the starter and only connected what was neccessary to crank it over. Cranked a couple of seconds and stopped. Nothing. Don't know if a fuse blew or what. Unless my engine or outdrive is seized. So started poking around the transom. The upper 3/4 of the transom appears to be just wood painted. The bottm 1/4 looks like it has rough fiberglass on it poked right through it with screw driver. So I am guessing that the lower portion is bad. Upper part seems solid. pulled off the side panels- Rotten, the step down floor in the cabin felt mushy, so pulled up the vinyl. Again rough fiber glass that I was able to poke through with screwdriver and water started squitting out when I stepped on it. So all of the decking is going to have to be replaced. Can I use standard exterior 3/4 inch ply wood? If so then I would fiberglass the top and resin the bottom and sides. Or do I need to fiberglass the whole thing? If I pull the engine and outdrive out, do I have to have Mercruiser specialty tools to put them back in? Was planning on pulling outdrive off an going through it an repaint.

 

[cantaris]

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So I started pulling out the interior, and the floors are so rotten, that I was able to poke through the fiberglass and the plywood with light force and a crowbar. Foam is saturated. So my question is: What thickness exterior grade plywood do I need for the floors? I plan on sealing wiht poly resin. An maybe glass on the tops. I glass necessary on bottoms? What weight glass should I use? Floor supports appear to be 2x2 wood. Fuel tank is huge-~6'x6'x1' Anyone know what size that equates to? Will post pics of the mess soon

 

[jhtaylor]

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Fuel tank 6x6x1 would be 269+ gallons. That's a lot of fuel!

 

[cantaris]

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some photos of the mess under the fiber glass under the galley and helm. 1/2" plywood just crumbled. Foam was wet, but when I dug some out, it was dry . Only the bottom and top1" were saturated. The stringer and main frame are 2x6 and 2x12 respectfully. No sealant, no fiberglass. Don't even think they were PT.http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k176/cantaris/71 reinell 24 ft cabin cruiser/

 

[oops!]

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I see foam around the back of the fuel tank an lo and behold watersoaked.

yeah.... i thought shed be wet.

if the transom is good.....you can do light boating with it....its not as safe as it should be...but the glass will keep its shape......so that one is your call.....but if the transom is rot.....shes unsafe and un useable

I don't quite understand. If the transom core samples looks good then how come only light boating?

the watersoaked foam means the stringers have been wet for some time, and most are likely rotten....im allmost certain you will have to redo those as well......
you can run a boat "soft" or "light" with bad foam and stringers....the glass will hold in most cases....(for a little while but at this point the boat is allmost toast)....but if the transom is toast as well.....the boat is unsafe.
hence....if the transom is good...you can boat for a little while with it if you boat "soft"

before you get any farther.....make sure the motor and out drive are good....you are at a turning point.....you can part the boat out now....and make up the 800....and look for another boat. or if you like this one....go for it.....but it will need a complete re-fit....transom...stringers....and deck.
if you throw in a motor and drive in there....you will spend a ton of time and money on it....its your call !

the deck will have to be glassed above and below....so 1/2 inch ext grade is all you need....if you want, and have the budget, you can go marine ply.
pt is allways an option if you have the time to dry it out.

but you are a long way from that right now.........investigate some more on the boat....try to get core samples of the stringers.....
and good luck with your decision.

 

[cantaris]

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more pics

 

[ondarvr]

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Now's the time to sit down and decide just how big of a project you want to take on, it's all fixable, it just depends on your budget and desire to get "this" boat back on the water. Most boats of this vintage will need to have the transom and stringers replaced, so that part will be about the same on any boat. The engine and drive system can be a huge expense if they?re bad though and this is where money can be saved by buying one that's already been rebuilt, or at least in good running condition.

Add up what you think it'll cost to get it running, then at least double that figure, now you'll be closer to a real number.

If you look around you'll find boats of this size and age with all the electronics, rebuilt engine and out drive, a kicker, trailer (new sometimes), safety gear, ropes, anchors, galley, downriggers, etc. These will sell from around $5,000 to $9,000 and somebody else will have done all the work and will have about $15,000 to $20,000 invested. These boats will need a little work too, but far less and will be usable almost from day one.

The cost of repairing the boat (stringers and stuff) is just a small part of getting it out on the water fishing for what you plan to catch.

It makes no difference to anyone here which way you go, everybody will help get the project finished, it?s just up to you to decide if it fits what you want to do.

PS
Don?t use oops! as an example of how to take on a project, he?s crazy.

 

[oops!]

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Baaaaa Haaaaa Haaaaaaa :d

 

[cantaris]

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Actually th boat is complete. The engine has no signs of rust. Cranked over but there is an electrical problem, but will be rewiring. The outdrive is in real good condition. There are some scale like things on in a few places. Bellows look to be descent, but was planning ongoing through the out drive and at least replace gaskets and bellows. The skeg is broke off probably from someone driving with the OD in the down position. New starter on the engine. The frames and stringer do not have any sealant or glass on them, at least not what I have exposed. Sure this boat is going to be alot of work. But I will be able to take different things that I like about other boats and incorporate into this one. I am going to make lots of storage add a bulkhead. There is a gentleman from this forum that lives in Monroe, WA- just a few miles away from me that I sent a pm to asking if he would like to swing by and give me his expert opinion. I just have to sell my 2002 16ft boat to get space in the garage for doing the fiberglass work. Plus that gives me the start of my allowance.

 

[ondarvr]

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An iboats member in Monroe? I need to find that guy.

 

[oops!]

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unless bill has moved from pluto i think he means you...... !

cantaris......you watch out for that ondarvr guy.......he owns a tinny !

 

[ondarvr]

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oops!

I don't think you read his post close enough, he said there's a "gentleman" in Monroe, that leaves me out.

 

[oops!]

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yep.....buddie ....that leaves you out

now....if he would have said redneck boat guy......

btw.....did you see the pedistal seat stuff on the scarab thread?.....

 

[cantaris]

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So now some more questions. If I buy my resin and glass from US Composites. How far will 5 gallons of poly resin go? what about 125 yards of 7.5 oz glass? Should I gel coat the inside of the boat? How should I build a bulkhead with a door for the cabin? Ideas for building a more deck free doghouse? How far would 5 gals of gelcoat go? Inside and out side of boat or should I buy 10gals? 1/2inch ply for deck? or 3/4? Will resin and glass. Just need to know how much so I can start ordering

 

[oops!]

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cantaris........im sorry.....i dont understand.....buddy.....you live in boat building heaven.....you are on the west coast bud.....there is glass shops every where........boat builders everywhere......heck.....boat salvage yards everywhere......

just look around some.....there will be fiberglass shops right in your area that will sell to you over the counter and be comperable to anything you will find at us comp........in fact.....my buddie robj turned me on to a place in vanc canada that would sell me 5 gals of unwaxed poly resin at 80 bux a pail !

i was paying 90 localy......and they were delevering it right to my door.....id call by 3pm and by 4:30 the resin would be there......


i guess what im saying is.....if you find a supply locally....you will never run out and can allways get more in a jiffy......rather than wait the 10 days for a internet sale. in fact.....our friend ondarvr could probably rattle off 10 places within 1/2 hour from you, that you could purchase from. and he's a tinny guy !

you will need 10 gals at minium for a stringer deck and transom job....if not 15

you will also need 75 feet of 1oz csm. 75 feet of 1708. 40 feet of an 8 oz finishing veil...(if you choose)......1 half gallon mekp.....5 gals aceitone
minimum 20 small 2 1/2 quart plastic pails.....a gazillion paint rollers.....squeegee...gallon pail of cabosil....2 gallon pails of microbubbles.......and a small 1/2 pail of milled fibers.

cheers
oops

 

[cantaris]

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cantaris........im sorry.....i dont understand.....buddy.....you live in boat building heaven.....you are on the west coast bud.....there is glass shops every where........boat builders everywhere......heck.....boat salvage yards everywhere......

just look around some.....there will be fiberglass shops right in your area that will sell to you over the counter and be comperable to anything you will find at us comp........in fact.....my buddie robj turned me on to a place in vanc canada that would sell me 5 gals of unwaxed poly resin at 80 bux a pail !

i was paying 90 localy......and they were delevering it right to my door.....id call by 3pm and by 4:30 the resin would be there......


i guess what im saying is.....if you find a supply locally....you will never run out and can allways get more in a jiffy......rather than wait the 10 days for a internet sale. in fact.....our friend ondarvr could probably rattle off 10 places within 1/2 hour from you, that you could purchase from. and he's a tinny guy !

you will need 10 gals at minium for a stringer deck and transom job....if not 15

you will also need 75 feet of 1oz csm. 75 feet of 1708. 40 feet of an 8 oz finishing veil...(if you choose)......1 half gallon mekp.....5 gals aceitone
minimum 20 small 2 1/2 quart plastic pails.....a gazillion paint rollers.....squeegee...gallon pail of cabosil....2 gallon pails of microbubbles.......and a small 1/2 pail of milled fibers.

cheers
oops

Well I have tried finding sources for the materials and found one place but he sells his 7.5 oz cloth for 7.50 a yard and almost 40 for a gal of poly. I have no idea of where to find a boat salvage yard. And sorry to say, but I have no idea of what you are trying to have me do with the materials you listed and how the flow process would go. I guess I am not communicating my plans well enough. So here is what I am dealing with. 1) The flooring appears to 1/4 to 1/2 thick ply- no sealant, 2) Frames and stringers appear to be non treated 2x6 and 2x10 fir boards- again no sealant or glass-just laying again the fiberglass hull, 3) there was a layer of glss over the top of the ply that was tabbed(if that is the correct term) to th sides, 4)there was foam under the ply to add rigidity, 5) The fuel tank is embedded in foam and I need to figure out how to get out, 6) took core samples of the engine mount areas and the wood appears to be dry, 7) took cor samples of transom close to outdrive inside plate-WET! so it looks like I will have to replace it. What I was hoping todo was coat the bottomof the new ply wood decking with a couple coats of poly and then glass the top with 2 layers of glass and add some addtional support under the floor (if I do not refoam)if I do refoam then I was going to put visqueen in to keep contact with wood to a minimum. Again any advice or criticysm is welcome.

 

[mthieme]

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Looks like you have a good bit of work to do.
Personally I like the boat, nice lines, good layout, nice all 'round family boat.
Sounds like you have in mind to add some fishing 'options' (for lack of a better term) to her. Do you intend to use her primarily for fishing?