Removing my deck

jasono2l

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I am sorry if this is a repeat of a previous thread, but when I start removing my deck, what tools would be helpful? Should I cut out a small circle with one of those 2" diameter cutting bits? After that, should i use a sawsall or a circular saw set shallow? Plan on a complete deck, stringer, foam and possibly transom replacement. But not sure where to go after I remove the top from the hull. Also is that expanding foam from a can the stuff I should use between the new stringers?I really need alot of help, but I am very gung-ho about this project. I grew up riding in boats in northern Wisconsin, but I know nothing about renovation or the maintenance needs. Want to get my Rinker V170 with that Johnson 135 ready by next summer so I can take my daughters boating. I am sure they would have a great time. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Jason
 

erikgreen

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I am sorry if this is a repeat of a previous thread, but when I start removing my deck, what tools would be helpful? Should I cut out a small circle with one of those 2" diameter cutting bits? After that, should i use a sawsall or a circular saw set shallow?

Just start with the circular saw, set to cut through the glass and wood.. try not to cut any deeper, and be aware you may hit the odd staple or nail. Removing deck sections is easy if you separate off the glass from the wood first.. it adds a ton of strength. The wood may splinter off if you wiggle it, but the glass won't.

Get a good 4 1/2 inch grinder, a cheap one, with a metal cutting fiber disk or three. It'll cut in small spaces better than the circ saw, but the fiberglass powder will probably kill it eventually unless you blow it clean regularly.

I also recommend a good crow bar/pry bar, a reciprocating saw with a good bi-metal blade, and a comfortable pair of goggles or full face shield. Also a respirator mask good enough to filter particulates, and maybe some ear protection. Recommend coveralls or a disposable suit to prevent itching.

Also lots of bags for trash. Tearing out the deck in a 17 footer is going to yield maybe 10-12 30 gallon bags of foam, wood, and fiberglass. More for the rest of the work.

Plan on a complete deck, stringer, foam and possibly transom replacement. But not sure where to go after I remove the top from the hull. Also is that expanding foam from a can the stuff I should use between the new stringers?
No. You need to get expanding polyurethane closed-cell foam, which is sold here at iboats and elsewhere in liquid 2 part form. You can get several varieties, but if you're looking just for floatation, the 2 lb per cubic foot stuff will work, and it's cheaper than the 4, 8, or 16.

After you remove the top cap, be sure the hull is well supported on blocks or a bunk trailer.. if you remove the stringers inside there's a chance of it twisting if it's unevenly supported. If it's blocked up well, then I'd remove the deck, foam, stringers, transom inside skin, transom core, then rebuild in reverse order.

I really need alot of help, but I am very gung-ho about this project. I grew up riding in boats in northern Wisconsin, but I know nothing about renovation or the maintenance needs. Want to get my Rinker V170 with that Johnson 135 ready by next summer so I can take my daughters boating. I am sure they would have a great time. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jason

Next summer meaning 2009? Be realistic about your schedule if you're planning all that, so you won't get frustrated and quit. For a 17 footer expect to need quite a bit of time, assuming you have all your supplies on hand when you need them. Don't let the repair job become a death march trying to get done by a certain date, unless you're retired (really retired, not like Don here :).

Welcome to Iboats. Post pics of your progress so we can offer advice and gain inspiration :)

Erik
 

jcsercsa

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Welcome and what he said exactly.... There some really great people here that will help !!! start checking some treads they will help alot !!! John
 

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erik ...a circ saw?.....
id go grinder to the deck hull joints ....then cut a hole in the floor rand start ripping....

td suggests the tip of a chain saw

.....however.......what erik said was bang on.....all of it.......but your first investment is safety equipment.....youll be doing a lot of grinding....fiberglass dust does not ever...ever break down in the lungs ....ever...you MUST use a good resporatior....at least 60 bucks worth...the cheepie doctors type paper masks absolutly will not work....but...their your lungs....drewmitch44 is probably the top expert on the site by now on grinding.....

get ready...your in for a full blown re-fit.....
its easy to look at the whole project and get overwhelmed......
just keep at it one day at a time...and keep at it...even an hour or two ....thats one hour closer to finishing.......

start drying your plywood now.....
hit search....and gor for it.....read all you can....then read some more.....
pay particular attention to erik...tashasdaddy.....coors.....(geeze....i could keep goin forever)....and when it comes time to glass....ondarvr.......search
skanky beast..... and read....

were here with ya......all the way jason...dont be afraid...its hard work...but well worth it.

cheers
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btw......

try not to look at the project and think about how your going to build the stringers........ when you still havent ripped out the seats .....take the seats out.....!!!!!

its easy to sit there and stare at he project ........waist an entire evening and still not do anything...

we have all done that....twice !

just think about what you have to do that night....and do it !
 

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i have sat for days, in the boat, deciding on the outcome. it is not a bad thing. make a list of everything you have to do. prioritize, get to a safe boat, then the cosmetics come in to play. that the projects and cut them to size for a weekend, this way you see the accomplishments. and don't get discouraged. doing it this way, also allow you to watch for parts, and material needed on sale, and ebay. i hate nothing as much as not having the material there when i need it.
 

erikgreen

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erik ...a circ saw?.....
id go grinder to the deck hull joints ....then cut a hole in the floor rand start ripping....

td suggests the tip of a chain saw

oops

Yep. Set the circ to cut just as deep as the glass and the deck wood, and you don't need to pre-cut a starter hole... just run the saw up to speed and sink it in. I took off my deck in 4x6 sections :)

The depth of cut you set plus the fact you can't get close to the edges of the deck with the circ means your outer hull is safe (for now, anyway) and you can make the cuts needed with the saw in about 5-10 min max, so you can get right to work on prying.

You have to be comfortable with it though, and well braced... the circ will remove fingers, toes, and hull sections just as easily as rotten decking.

I like the chainsaw for hight corner work, especially transom stuff, but I find I can do without it for most jobs.

Erik
 

Coors

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a $15 fan behind you, blowing on you, is nice.
 

jasono2l

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Re: Removing my deck

dont need to worry about the seats, my brother in law removed them after he bought the boat in the first place. Do I need a special blade on the circ saw, or is a carbide tooth blade fine?
 

jcsercsa

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Do I need a special blade on the circ saw, or is a carbide tooth blade fine?[/QUOTE]

Nope a carb blade is fine !!! just dont go to deep . go slow
And i sat in mine for two months on mine before i started !!!! lol John
 

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That $15 fan is a very good suggestion along with the respirator. A good shop vac will also help with the dust control.

I too have set in my partially constructed boat lamenting the fact it was too close to the house to burn it down! Such thoughts pass quickly though and the completed project will give you loads of satisfaction from now on. You will also know every inch of your boat annd what you can expect from her.

Take your time and do it right. Cutting corners will lead to certian grief and there are no places to pull over and go get help if there is a failure on the water.

Start telling all of your buddies to have their wives buy them clamps for their birthdays, anniverseries and Christmass presents. You will need a good selection to borrow from!

Have a means of sending the riff raff home before you commense your work. As soon as you begin the destruction, ah - dissassemby, well meaning people will descend by the hords to "help" you. As long as you are taking the boat apart they will be there, but don't worry, as soon as you need help putting it back together they will dissapear. That is, until you launch the girl and then they will show up to remind you how they "helped you" and want rides!

Keep us apprised of your progress. May it get warm enough soon so you don't have to go to sleep waiting for the day you start this adventure.
 

salty87

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I too have set in my partially constructed boat lamenting the fact it was too close to the house to burn it down!

don't leave out the fun of realizing you've already spent too much $ on supplies to give up too.

or the temptation of playing around on here instead of hanging out with the grinder
 

erikgreen

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Don't fall into the common trap of buying other boats for "spare parts" or "next project" while you're still working on the first one, either :)
 

jasono2l

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thanks for all the info guys, I really do appreciate it. Destruction begins soon. I will definately post pictures documenting my progress.
 

External Combustion

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Salty87:

No torch applied. Website www.steamlaunchphoenix.com. Love the completed project and have not taken the outrageous amount offered for her.

Even if I did, the wife who is equally a co constructor, would have my hide tacked on the outhouse wall in a minute!

Jasono2l:

Keep up the good work and definately post!
 

jcsercsa

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don't leave out the fun of realizing you've already spent too much $ on supplies to give up too.

or the temptation of playing around on here instead of hanging out with the grinder

Nope never spent a couple hours on here when I should have been grinding !!! heck I could have been done !!! lol
I still dont have the supplies orderd yet so dont know that one , but got a list and its at 601.29 without shipping !! does that count ???????? lol John
 
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