Responsibility to MAY DAY call?

JoLin

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Re: Responsibility to MAY DAY call?

Geez... I never even heard of a 'PAN-PAN Medico' call before! I hereby formally rescind my 'hair splitting'. :facepalm:
 

64osby

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im sure a medical is a pan pan......but let find out for sure buddy ;).....these threads are held in the archives, so lets be accurate.

this aint no what's better,,,,,,an aluminium boat or a fiberglass boat thread ! :p

here it is......


Medical assistance
A "pan-pan medico" call is appropriate if someone becomes injured or in need of medical help at sea. If the vessel is heading to shore and wants to be met by an ambulance crew, the local Coast Guard station can arrange this. A doctor or other trained medical advisor may also be available on the radio, perhaps by patching through via telephone from ashore or from a nearby vessel. Again, if there is immediate risk to life, then a Mayday call is more appropriate. "Pan-pan medico" is no longer in official use.[7]

Marine Rescue Organisations, such as Coastal Patrol, Coast Guard & Search and Rescue listen on marine radio frequencies for all distress calls including "pan-pan". These organisations can coordinate or assist and can relay such calls to other stations that may be better able to do so.

here is the wikipida link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-pan

lol...im going to bed now.....

Great info oops!, and a good link. The nice thing this applies to both FG's and Tinny's, no arguments here.;)
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Responsibility to MAY DAY call?

I found this interesting. Still don't know why we say PON PON when it's spelled PAN PAN and around here, affecting a french accent is likely to provoke your fishing buddies to throw you overboard.

"See the list of French phrases used by English speakers. The French word panne nominally refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of any kind.
A three-letter backronym, "Possible Assistance Needed" or "Pay Attention Now", is derived from "pan". It is used on various maritime and aeronautical radio communications courses as an aide-m?moire to radio/communications operators, specifically to reaffirm the important difference between Mayday and Pan-Pan emergency communications."
 

JoLin

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The nice thing this applies to both FG's and Tinny's, no arguments here.;)

Sorry, dude- only thing that applies to 'tinnys' is an emergency call to the hardware store for more rivets.... :D
 

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lol jolin......this is a great thread lots of fun.
 

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Sorry, dude- only thing that applies to 'tinnys' is an emergency call to the hardware store for more rivets.... :D

wrongo, bongo--emergency call to EMT for stitches, bandages, tournequets and bags of whole blood.
 
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PLAIN FRIGGIN ENGLISH FOLKS!!!

Respond if you feel you can help without putting your life on the line. If you feel you are in Danger you are in NO WAY OBLIGATED TO ASSIST!!! Even Coast Guardsman Get to make this call once they arrive on scene. If its too dangerous, they can say "NO GO"! They wont. But they can. Good Samaritans should assist if they are able. As every channel 16 broadcast from the local Coast Guard Sector says, "All Mariners are requested to keep a sharp lookout, assist if possible, and report all sightings to US Coast Guard Sector..."

Above all else just be safe. So you're not the one calling out "Mayday"

-JM
14 years USCG Small Boat Operator
Active Reserve
 

64osby

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Sorry, dude- only thing that applies to 'tinnys' is an emergency call to the hardware store for more rivets.... :D

Made me laugh. :D We will be the one's making a relay Mayday or Pan Pan call for others.
 

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I read this entire thread just to see what everyone says. I don't have the legal answer but I have a story.... I needed help 35 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago. I got in touch with another fishing vessel only to have the guy tell me that he had "spent to much money on fuel to get out there to stop and tow me to safety and that he would check on me on his way in later in the day." I was eventually assisted by another, more responsible angler. I have looked and looked for the man that left me for dead and if I ever catch him at the dock, well I'll be posting from behind bars the next time you hear from me!
 

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well you don't say what kind of help you needed, extent of danger, what kind of boat either of you have, the availability of a towing service, etc. but asking for a 35 mile tow is asking too much in most circumstances. If he was within a couple miles he could come over and maybe help fix something. Or tow you at the end of his day, not at your convenience.

And if he were a charter boat, he'd be losing a couple grand by cancelling his trip, and losing his customers for a repeat. Were you ready to pay him the $2000 for the tow?
 

JoLin

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^^^^ What HC said ^^^^

In this case, unless you were in danger, I'd have been happy to call a towing service for you. I'd like to here more about the circumstances, and why you were reliant on another boater to tow you that far.

My .02
 

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... " to stop and tow me to safety and that he would check on me on his way in later in the day." I was eventually assisted by another... angler.

I do not see a problem, you were not in an Emergency Stiuation (Imminent loss of Life or Property), you wanted a convenience tow 35 miles back in.

The law says " ... to provide assistance that can be safely provided to any individual in danger at sea."

If you were sinking he would be obligated to pull You and the crew out of the water.
And he would be correct in having you drop anchor and take you back to shore to arrange a tow.

But he would never be required to do anything to save the vessel.
You were far from "left for Dead"; you were floating upright and no one was getting wet.

Yes, I understand that being stranded at sea is very stressful.
I have been in a situation where I was actually in the water and the outcome was in question for a time.
The key is to control your panic.

You made contact with at least two people in short order.
No one was about to die. The drama you added was you own.

Sorry I can not be more sympathetic. :)
 

soggy_feet

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Its all been covered before, but since MAYDAY and PAN-PAN have been discussed, might as well tack on Securit? (pronounced Securitay) as well....

Securit? is something you'll most likely hear from the coast guard, but that doesn't mean you can't use it to. Its used to alert boaters of potential dangers, or special announcements from the CG.
If its a CG announcement, they'll usually come on channel 16, then tell you to switch to 22 Alpha (22a) for the announcement (bad weather, and restricted boat access around the Burlington VT waterfront for the 4th of July fireworks are the first two to come to mind for my area)
If you happen to be motoring along, and spot a floating log that's barely breaking the surface, you can broadcast a securit? message telling other boaters what to watch out for, and where it is, so the next guy to come thru the area doesn't clean the outdrive off the back of his boat when he hits the log you managed to avoid.


When I first got my VHF, I used this VHF primer to get comfortable with its operation, and so I didn't sound like a total noob the first time I had to use it.
http://www.boatingsafety.com/vhf1.htm
 

Slow Ride

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Guys, I hear you. On an average day I would not have been so upset. I have been on active duty for over 20 years and have been fishing the Gulf for the last 15-16 years. As such, I have had my share of issues on the water from loss of an engine to taking on water faster than the bilge system could recover. I have assisted many others over the years from pulling goofballs off of reefs to towing stranded vessels to safety. On this day, I had an electrical fire below the main deck which caused me to have to disconnect all electrical power and pray that the fire went out. It was in a place that did not allow me to try to put it out with any other method. I managed to reach help with a hand held VHF. I would have certainly paid the 2k to get to shore. I was in a 31 foot fountain and the knucklehead who left me for dead was in a 40-48 sport fisher of some kind, Bertram I think. I was eventually towed in by a very nice older man and his two sons in a 36 Luhrs. I gave the guy the 750 dollars I had in my pocket even though he didn't ask.

In the end I discovered that the main power from the battery to the ignition had worn a small whole in the insulator and was shorting out on the aluminum fuel tank. I didn't put that wire in the boat and neither did the manufacturer. It was put there by a previous owner, I assume.

I knew the fuel cell was in the area where the fire was and I relayed the fact that I had smoke below deck in the compartment containing the fuel cell to both boats. I assume a large fire ball and cloud of black smoke would have gotten his attention. The point is, he didn't even bother to come along side and investigate!

Unclewille, you could not be more wrong "you wanted a convenience tow 35 miles back in." I was truly in fear for my life and those who I was responsible for on my vessel. I would have mortgaged the house again to get some help.

My words may have been a little strong (from behind bars) but when something like this happens and you fear for yours and your son's life along with a few friends, there aren't words that are strong enough to describe the rage that comes over you when you think safety is on the horizon only to be told MONEY will keep you from being rescued. I personally couldn’t live with myself if I left another human being in that situation, friend or enemy. I'm no pushover, like I said, 20+ years of service and far too many of them in combat. I can usually take care of it myself and I fully understand the financial implications of having to rescue another boat. I also know how precious a single life is, and UncleWillie, I assure you I’m no drama queen! The possibility of being blown up or burned to death was real.

In the end, if you get a call for help and you can't take the time to, at a minimum, investigate or take on a few passengers, you should stay away from mirrors because you won’t like the selfish man you see in it!
 

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Re: Responsibility to MAY DAY call?

Slow ride I think the others got on your case because your original post made it sound like you were just broken down which is a much different situation than you actually had. That is a vary scary scenario and if you relayed that to the other boater and he blew you off that is quite wrong in my book. I'm glad you wound up making it safely to shore.
 

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Legal responsibilities? I don't care I help, its my Moral Responsibility and that is more important.
 

JoLin

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Slow ride I think the others got on your case because your original post made it sound like you were just broken down which is a much different situation than you actually had. That is a vary scary scenario and if you relayed that to the other boater and he blew you off that is quite wrong in my book. I'm glad you wound up making it safely to shore.

With no electrical power the only means you had to communicate was the hand-held VHF, right? I do know that if I had been the other boater and heard the word 'fire', I'd have changed course immediately and headed in your direction. Put out call(s) for help on your behalf. I could always abandon that course and get on with my day if assistance was close at hand.

What I don't get is why your situation wasn't relayed to CG or a towing service. Seriously, that other boater wasn't willing to do that? I agree that simply abandoning you to your fate was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
 
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