Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

powell0819

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Took apart the lower unit on a 76' mercruiser so we could replace the impeller. It was pretty twisted up and the ends of the fins were falling off.. Poor thing. But directly infront of the impeller housing (which would make it the opposite side of the lower unit from the prop) there is an area that has a small shaft that is turnable but only about 1/2 a turn. I dont know what it goes too but around it there is an open area that doesnt appear to go to anything. It was filled with mud (in the picture mostly clean but you can see little bits of what we didnt get out just yet), grease, and rocks. I got all of that gunk out and rinsed it in water to make sure it wasnt chunks of metal, and it was indeed pieces of flat shale rock and a few pebbles.

Could anyone tell me what that area is and what that turnable shaft is? If I turn it the half turns I can hear a noise from down near where the prop hooks on but could not see any movement. I want to know pretty much could that gunk and rocks be a big cause of our overheating issue, or would it just be that the impeller was completely warped around with the fins falling off and cracked halfway through? It only overheated when the engine was at an idle or very slow speeds, but if we gave it more throttle it would cool it down to pretty much normal operating temp after a few moments. Snagging season is coming up so we will be needing slow operating speeds.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Ill be spending the next few hours getting the nasty smell of this gunk off of my hands.
 

cheaperts

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

The shaft is the shift shaft, rotating it shifts throught the gears and it should only turn a small amount. The rocks and debris are probably from burying/backing into mud and such at some point sounds like they are just in the open exhaust passages, just get it cleaned out. If your impellor was near death, it probably was not circulating enough water at low RPM but you were getting away with it at higher RPM, only other concern on the cooling is if any pieces of the old impellor lodged upstream somewhere in a water passage, if you have cooling issues after the change that is what I'd check next
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

it is in your best interest to change the shift shaft seal and carrier assy now that you have it apart

the shift shaft seal is usually the first to go and seeing as how you had all the debris in there, the chances are high that it would fail soon

its a cheap part and easy to replace, just be sure the splined shaft goes back in the same way it came out - putting the lower in FWD gear is the best way to ensure this
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

Thank you for your help. We will go ahead and replace the seal and carrier assy while its all off of there. :) I dont think we had any pieces of the impeller that came off.. We got lucky. It appears that all the pieces that were broken were still held on by tiny fragments. I dont know when the last time the impeller was ever changed. Up until yesterday we had no idea that it was a good thing to replace it every year. We just got it last year so thankfully we learned that info quick.
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

Oh, one other thing! When we put this thing back together where should we be putting marine grease? I dont want to miss something simple like that and then end up causing problems.
 

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You will want to grease the top of the driveshaft - the quad ring (the square o ring that seals the oil passage between the two halves - and a dab on the shift shaft you have pictured doesn't hurt.

Don't forget the stainless steel washer which simply sits on top of the shift shaft when you put it back together.
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

I'm not sure about all of the fuss. First of all, just put in a new complete water pump assy (impeller and housing). Second, that gunk is likely from years and years of use, and is likely due to the fact that the weep hole is plugged. I would spend more time with a wire hanger or welding wire to try and clean out the valley so that the weep hole flows freely again. Then worry about whether or not the shift shaft seal needs changing. I don't know about going so far as to mess with the carrier, as there may not be any reason to mess with it.
 

powell0819

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

were exactly is the shift shaft seal located so we can check to see if it needs to be replaced
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

That shaft that only turns 1/2 turn goes through the carrier and the seal is in there. MOST IMPORTANT make absolutely sure that forward cavity is cleaned out and the drain hole at the bottom of the cavity is clear. You have been very lucky. When that cavity fills up and water can't drain out one of two things can happen. Either the salt and water get in there and corrode up and force a chunk of casting out, or the water freezes, and forces a chunk of casting out.

You will probably have to dig around with a stiff wire or even a long drill bit, just get it cleaned out so water will flow out of the drain hole freely.

Chris......
 

powell0819

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

That shaft that only turns 1/2 turn goes through the carrier and the seal is in there.

ok so i need to take it apart to check the seal? we have not leaked any lower unit oil out so should we be concerned?
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

That shaft that only turns 1/2 turn goes through the carrier and the seal is in there.
ok so i need to take it apart to check the seal? we have not leaked any lower unit oil out so should we be concerned?

Personally, I'd clean out the cavity, replace the water pump (all of it!!) put it together and run it... Leave the shift shaft seal alone. Usually the area of the casting under the carrier is quite corroded and you're likely to introduce more problems that you solve, especially if the seal's not leaking...

From the look of the photo the pump base has quite a bit of melt under the plate; replace it. The housing will no doubt also be melted, replace that too....
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

ok we will try that thanks, trying to not have to dump to much money in it this year since we have a baby on the way in oct
 
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achris

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ok we will try that thanks, trying to to have to dump to much money in it this year since we have a baby on the way in oct

Good luck with that!! :facepalm: :D Make sure you have a bassinet that can be taken on the boat. I had my first boat trip at 4 months old, and you haven't been able to keep me off boats since. I even work offshore now, on boats!!!
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

ok wish us luck ,just got done putting it all back together going to take it to a lake and hopefully run it. also the weep hole was filled with mud and rock all the way to the shift shaft and took about 2 hrs to get all the way cleared out..... thanks for all the help:)
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

The water pump assy/impeller is less than $30, *if* you had a shift shaft seal leak, the seal is less than $10, and the notched socket to remove/install it is another $10-15. Nothing in this repair would cost over $100 all included with new drive lube.
 

powell0819

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

ya we got it all put back together last night and ran it on muffs for a while , the weep hole is now shooting water out good i hope since it was all plugged up . didnt take it to the lake today because of time so doing it tomorrow, after we get back from the lake we are going to go ahead and drain the lower unit oil again to make sure there is not water getting in the gears. if no leaks then we are gonna do a full rebuild of the out drive later this year or over the winter thanks for all the help
 

achris

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

... we are gonna do a full rebuild of the out drive later this year or over the winter thanks ...

With the cost of parts and special tools for a complete overhaul, you're better off (and cheaper) to buy a complete new drive (WITH 3 year warranty) from SEI for about $1400. Run your current drive till it dies, then buy a new one (it hurts me to say that, but that's the way the world is now). When you have your new one, you can take the old one part and see how it all hangs together, as a 'training' exercise.

Chris......
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

Run your current drive till it dies, then buy a new one (it hurts me to say that, but that's the way the world is now). When you have your new one, you can take the old one part and see how it all hangs together, as a 'training' exercise.
sounds like a good idea to me. :) thanks we will keep that in mind and if it dies on us then we will check that site out.
 

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Re: Rocks in lower unit??? Help!

I read through this thread kinda quickly because I recently replaced my impeller because it was due and I was getting the typical symptoms of low flow and high temps at low RPMS. What I may have missed in the threads (and maybe I just didnt see it) was no mention of having the service manual out and open and on the workbench during the maintenance. The manual has great diagrams and instructions for the basic (and not-so-basic) maintenance and have kept me out of trouble many times. Great instructions on what the pieces parts are, disassembly, reassembly, lubrication points, torque values, etc. Granted, this forum is terrific for helping us tyros when we get in a pinch (you guys rock!), nothing beats the service manual. Heck, they are free and downloadable from this website! Just sayin'. Anyways, good luck and happy boating!
 
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