Boy you said a mouthful with that answer. I least your honest about what your party has to offer..Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Ken,<br /><br />It's irrelevant.
I'll take a stab at this PW.....<br /><br /><br />1. He defies the enemy.<br />2. He defies the Media.<br /><br />"Mission accomplished" sounds pretty good for me if that was the objective. Tell me what you would expect after that? Maybe a scandal with a female intern..?<br /><br />Maybe thats why Rummy (is not) looking for a job in any place you've ever been.Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I'm curious.<br /><br />Someone tell me what Romsfeld has done correctly in this war, past the initial "Mission Accomplished" phase.<br /><br />If you had Rummy's record of accomplishment in the private sector, you'd be looking for a job any place I've ever been.
I like this answer because it applies to the times and all that has given US problems the past 100 years.<br />The adversity of Saddam to his people was to forge them to accept his rule or make them seek freedom with all their soul. We interupted that process. Obviously they were not capable of freedom or they were not ready for it. <br /><br />John Adams: <br /><br />"People and nations are forged in the fires of adversity." <br /><br />"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America's heart, her benedictions and prayers, but she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator of her own."<br /><br />President Adams response was both better and different.Who would you have picked for the Presidency, and what would his/her response have been. Would it have been a better response, or just a different response?<br />
Wasnt anything wrong with the whole statement.Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> This dead horse deserves no further whackings.<br /><br />I only offer one concluding thought.<br /><br />Who would you have picked for the Presidency, and what would his/her response have been. Would it have been a better response, or just a different response?<br /><br />Vote accordingly.<br /><br />Ken
Well you might want to let Rumsfeld know because the shift is towards Tehran not towards Damascus.<br /><br />Quite a few references to Vietnam and communist threats. Before his death the then Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara during Vietnam explained of the lies/deceptions/blunders and mistakes of Vietnam. I mentioned the 30% in-denial could be cross referenced to 30% that still believe Vietnam was vital to our national defense.<br /><br />We watched them (WMD's) being trucked into Syria for Pete's sake.
Man by nature is a social creature and "freedom" is relative. Americans are said to be the most "free" in the world. Yet many Americans are perfectly happy to give away freedom for a handout, security, money, drugs, sex.....or $1.59 @gallon of gasoline.<br /><br />Man has a natural tendancy to want FREEDOM.
That's fine, then make it your only selling point to go to war and see if it flys. See if it flys with your countrymen. Don't dress it up with mobile labs, aluminum tubes, Al quida connection, etc,.<br />And don't forget to ask the young men and the parents of those young men if that is enough.<br /><br />I'm sure going to hate it when there are more Americans killed over there than were Kurds gassed.I do not want to meet my maker and tell him that I did not support an effort to free a people in clear tyranny.<br />
And that would be tragic.I wonder however if our allies in WW2 felt the same way comparing their losses to those of Pearl Harbor.Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br /><br /><br />I'm sure going to hate it when there are more Americans killed over there than were Kurds gassed.
What's pathetic is the Kurds were gassed by materials provided by US. What's pathetic is we are the would's largest weapons systems exporter.<br />Pathetic is going to your maker preaching you support the oppressed while ignoring who supplies the means to oppress, AND GAS the innocent. We've been selling a lot of weapons to African nations lately and most aren't very DEMOCRATIC.<br />Hardly "old-history".<br /><br />This has nothing at all to do with your dad. <br />Give him an atta boy for me and know that you're here because Hitler wasn't bombing Omaha beach with B-17's. And he dang sure wasn't there saving Jews from gas we supplied to him.<br /><br />I don't have a problem fighting for freedom. But I'm having a real hard time fighting for whims, folly and political games in the name of freedom.<br />Maybe you should move if you can't recognise the difference?Well, it ain't old to me. My dad, still alive and sharp, fought in that war. Don't you dare discount his service in a war that made this one look like a Watts skirmish.<br /><br />Has this been brought down to a numbers game? That's pathetic.<br />