Rumsfeld

CJY

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Ken,<br /><br />It's irrelevant.
 

oddjob

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Amored Humvees?...What a bunch of candy arses!...ever heard of amoring your vehicles yourself?.. with bags of sand?....I still remember be trained to do so. Takes a few men armed with sand bags about 30-40 minutes! <br /><br />Is there not an infinite supply of sand in Iraq?<br /><br />I cant believe rodbolt is actually standing on this complaint as if it is/was a show stopper. <br /><br />In WW2 they stripped all the armor off the aircraft that bombed toykyo.<br /><br />robolt you can preach this bs as a civilian, to civilians, but it would most definately be met with friendly fire in the sands of the middle east.<br /> :cool:
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Ken,<br /><br />It's irrelevant.
Boy you said a mouthful with that answer. I least your honest about what your party has to offer..
 

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OJ,<br /><br />It was not a response regarding what a party has to offer except for the party in control. This is W's baby, and no one elses.
 

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Sorry CJY, it works for me like drive-by media works for you..you can delete your statment if you like.. ;)
 

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I'm curious.<br /><br />Someone tell me what Romsfeld has done correctly in this war, past the initial "Mission Accomplished" phase.<br /><br />If you had Rummy's record of accomplishment in the private sector, you'd be looking for a job any place I've ever been.
 

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I'm curious.<br /><br />Someone tell me what Romsfeld has done correctly in this war, past the initial "Mission Accomplished" phase.<br /><br />If you had Rummy's record of accomplishment in the private sector, you'd be looking for a job any place I've ever been.
I'll take a stab at this PW.....<br /><br /><br />1. He defies the enemy.<br />2. He defies the Media.<br /><br />"Mission accomplished" sounds pretty good for me if that was the objective. Tell me what you would expect after that? Maybe a scandal with a female intern..?<br /><br />Maybe thats why Rummy (is not) looking for a job in any place you've ever been.
 

CJY

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OJ, <br /><br />He defies the enemy and media....how so? <br /><br />If you mean that he has chosen to do things his own way regardless of what past Generals have stated, then I agree with you. If you mean his arrogance has deprived him of common sense, then I agree with you. If you mean he chooses not to answer tough media questions because he lacks a good response, then I agree with you. If you mean he has defied the enemy by allowing him to roam free while still making threats against the USA, then I agree with you.<br /><br />Hey OJ, what do you think about that? We are in agreement for the second time in about a week. :D <br /><br /><br />I think I have an answer as to why Rummy is not currently looking for a job(a new one that is). W keeps him for the same reason he hired him. W needs, at the very minimum, one person to look like a bigger idiot than himself(W). I guess I would call Rummy an idiot protector.<br /><br />As to the reason Rummy has not yet jumped ship...well, he could never swim on his own. He needs some help from a friend(W).
 

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Middle Eastern countries have been fighting each other for thousands of years, and will probably continue to fight each other for thousands of years after we're gone (?). <br /> <br />Like my wife put it - maybe having a bloodthirsty tyrant in control is the best way to maintain some kind of peace over there. I'm not saying that's a good thing. <br /> <br />It's unfortunate that we got into this one. NOW, they have a common enemy. God Bless our troops. The sooner we can get them out of there, the better.<br /> <br />If there was an easy solution, I'm pretty sure we'd have already come up with it. Now we've just got a whole world full of armchair quarterbacks, second guessing every (bad) move that gets made.<br />And a whole bunch of American soldiers directly ( & all too conveniently) in harms way. It's gotta be tough, when the side you're fighting "for" hates you almost as much as the side you're fighting against.<br /> <br />Now, just to throw a little gas on this fire, I've always liked Rumsfeld. But I wouldn't want his job for all the oil, sand, gold, boats, whatever - in the world!
 

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Evil is sending young people to die for a cause based on lies created by the Department of Defense. Like the word or not to me that is an evil person.<br /><br />Going to Iraq without armory is military planning by cowards who avoided service by draft dodging, and yes I can name a few involved, Can You?
 

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The solution is simple, W and gang started it let them tell us their "Plan" that they lied about having to get us out.
 

Skinnywater

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Who would you have picked for the Presidency, and what would his/her response have been. Would it have been a better response, or just a different response?<br />
I like this answer because it applies to the times and all that has given US problems the past 100 years.<br />The adversity of Saddam to his people was to forge them to accept his rule or make them seek freedom with all their soul. We interupted that process. Obviously they were not capable of freedom or they were not ready for it. <br /><br />John Adams: <br /><br />"People and nations are forged in the fires of adversity." <br /><br />"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America's heart, her benedictions and prayers, but she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator of her own."<br /><br />President Adams response was both better and different.
 

heycods

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> This dead horse deserves no further whackings.<br /><br />I only offer one concluding thought.<br /><br />Who would you have picked for the Presidency, and what would his/her response have been. Would it have been a better response, or just a different response?<br /><br />Vote accordingly.<br /><br />Ken
Wasnt anything wrong with the whole statement.
 
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America's "knighted royal son" got us into Viet Nam. For noble reasons, I'm sure-the spread of communism. <br /><br />The most maligned man, in recent history, Richard Nixon, got us out. <br /><br />So, who was right? Go figure.<br /><br />Decisions were made based upon the facts of the time.<br /><br />If one thinks that there was no communist threat, that is dilusional. If one thinks that Sadaam didn't have WMD's, that is also dilusional. We watched them (WMD's) being trucked into Syria for Pete's sake. Hans Blix was/is an idiot.<br /><br />Referencing back to communism, it seems that we are embracing it-now. Who else but some arrogant Americans could possibly think we could pull it off and create some "pie in the sky" utopia..<br /><br />Those not drafted, for VN, were allowed "educational defferments". Guess where allot of those people ended up? In the education system. That was another HUGE mistake. Education preaches one side. Don't believe it, READ a history textbook from a public school.<br /><br />By the way, you want to biotch about union costs? What about the NEA? Talk about a monopoly. And, they're picking YOUR pocket. YOU have NO choice. But, who cares-YAWN!!!!<br /><br />Hindsight is always 20/20. Only the pioneers take the arrows. Man has a natural tendancy to want FREEDOM.<br /><br />I do not want to meet my maker and tell him that I did not support an effort to free a people in clear tyranny.<br /><br />As for the HumVee's. Name ONE war that we were totally and completely prepared for ANY situation. Name ONE.
 

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We watched them (WMD's) being trucked into Syria for Pete's sake.
Well you might want to let Rumsfeld know because the shift is towards Tehran not towards Damascus.<br /><br />Quite a few references to Vietnam and communist threats. Before his death the then Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara during Vietnam explained of the lies/deceptions/blunders and mistakes of Vietnam. I mentioned the 30% in-denial could be cross referenced to 30% that still believe Vietnam was vital to our national defense.<br /><br />
Man has a natural tendancy to want FREEDOM.
Man by nature is a social creature and "freedom" is relative. Americans are said to be the most "free" in the world. Yet many Americans are perfectly happy to give away freedom for a handout, security, money, drugs, sex.....or $1.59 @gallon of gasoline.<br /><br />
I do not want to meet my maker and tell him that I did not support an effort to free a people in clear tyranny.<br />
That's fine, then make it your only selling point to go to war and see if it flys. See if it flys with your countrymen. Don't dress it up with mobile labs, aluminum tubes, Al quida connection, etc,.<br />And don't forget to ask the young men and the parents of those young men if that is enough.<br /><br />I'm sure going to hate it when there are more Americans killed over there than were Kurds gassed.
 

rodbolt

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name one we started.<br /> we had the time, slammin sammy wasnt going anywhere.<br /> the planners were and are incompetent. however its moot now cause W says its the next administrations problem.<br /> mission accomplished.
 

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Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br /><br /><br />I'm sure going to hate it when there are more Americans killed over there than were Kurds gassed.
And that would be tragic.I wonder however if our allies in WW2 felt the same way comparing their losses to those of Pearl Harbor.
 
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WE have yet to match the losses at Pearl Harbor. But that's OLD history and non relevant, the detractors say.<br /><br />What about 10,000 killed at Normandy, in one hour? The detractors say again-OLD HISTORY.<br /><br />Well, it ain't old to me. My dad, still alive and sharp, fought in that war. Don't you dare discount his service in a war that made this one look like a Watts skirmish.<br /><br />Has this been brought down to a numbers game? That's pathetic.<br /><br />A fight for freedom is still a fight for freedom. If you don't want freedom-move. Apparently RB is. Best Wishes dealing with the drug lords.<br /><br />We saw a threat and moved on it.<br /><br />As said before, hindsight is always 20/20.
 

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Well, it ain't old to me. My dad, still alive and sharp, fought in that war. Don't you dare discount his service in a war that made this one look like a Watts skirmish.<br /><br />Has this been brought down to a numbers game? That's pathetic.<br />
What's pathetic is the Kurds were gassed by materials provided by US. What's pathetic is we are the would's largest weapons systems exporter.<br />Pathetic is going to your maker preaching you support the oppressed while ignoring who supplies the means to oppress, AND GAS the innocent. We've been selling a lot of weapons to African nations lately and most aren't very DEMOCRATIC.<br />Hardly "old-history".<br /><br />This has nothing at all to do with your dad. <br />Give him an atta boy for me and know that you're here because Hitler wasn't bombing Omaha beach with B-17's. And he dang sure wasn't there saving Jews from gas we supplied to him.<br /><br />I don't have a problem fighting for freedom. But I'm having a real hard time fighting for whims, folly and political games in the name of freedom.<br />Maybe you should move if you can't recognise the difference?
 
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