Sadly we are a materialistic society...

waterinthefuel

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I was talking to a coworker of mine about her stay in France. Putting politics of the country aside, she said she observed things there she'd never see here. People drove little bitty cars and to park, they'd back up until they hit the car behind them, and they'd push it, and then the one in front, until they'd made them a spot. Nobody minds, because the car is seen as nothing more than a mode of transportation, it's not worshipped like it is in this country. They are a peoplistic society. They take 2 hour lunches to spend with their family, and spend their weekends visiting relatives, not washing and waxing their possessions.

Unfortunatly I feel my father is very guilty of this. He owns 5 cars, 2 houses and 5 or 6 boats. Unfortunately he spends every weekend cleaning and waxing all the above said junk, instead of going visit family. He'll go visit his aging father, who lives across town, maybe a 20 minute drive, about 3 or 4 times a year, other than seeing him the normal holidays such as thanksgiving and xmas. He's a good, caring person, but doesn't see himself as materialistic. I certainly do.

I own one truck, one scooter, and one boat, and hopefully sooner rather than later, one house. And I don't plan on buying another of the above items unless the one I have is destroyed or broken beyond repair.
 

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Yikes!!!!!!
Something nice to say about the French?
Where's Boomie, he'll fix that.......
I thoroughly enjoyed the French people & countryside when I was there a 1 1/2 years ago....
France generates 76% of its energy from nuclear, btw...;)
 

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the greens have effectively killed our nuclear power program.
 

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The French also take real long vacations, (socialism offers that n' many other perks, [plus very high unemployment for those not cornected to the party in power]). They also don't get real excited when followers o' the Religion o' Peace burn cars. It has ta be 500 or more per night ta make the newspapers. When the state owns most of the property, ya don't wana accumulate too much or ya looooooose it to the state ya know. When they had that heat wave a summer or three back they just left the old folks in their non-airconditioned apartments to die. Real great people the French. Oh yah they like to surrender too! When I grow up I wana be jus' like a Frenchman maybe Jaques Chirac! Buuuuurp! :}JR
 

Haut Medoc

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Nevermind......
Murky to the rescue!......;):)
 

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We can become slaves to our possessions. Think I'll go wash my shopping cart and maybe grease the wheels:)
 

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Coors said:
the greens have effectively killed our nuclear power program.

Not accordin' ta BB!8)8)JR ps that's BoatBuoy, (he thinks that's patently somethin' r' other)!
 

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If we didn't buy things, we would have no jobs, since our jobs involve doing something that someone else wants to buy.
 

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Nothing I have learned in life (and that a lot later than I would like) has served my happiness better than knowing the differences between what I need and what I merely want.
 

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I like polishing and using my posessions. I derive personal satisfaction (appeasment of OCD) from cleaning, polishing, and using my stuff. I also see my family every weekend, I am with my wife every day, and I spend time with my friends. I work my butt off as well. Maybe the French have a system that works for them, but I like my system just fine. It's all about balance. You can have your cake and eat it too if you are smart about it.


I am a lot like WTF, I don't replace it until it's needed, and everything I am doing right now financially is for the goal of buying a house. Now, if the housing market can drop a bit more, things will be good for me. It's been hard waiting this boom out, but it will pay off hopefully...
 

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JasonJ said:
I like polishing and using my posessions. I derive personal satisfaction (appeasment of OCD) from cleaning, polishing, and using my stuff. I also see my family every weekend, I am with my wife every day, and I spend time with my friends. I work my butt off as well. Maybe the French have a system that works for them, but I like my system just fine. It's all about balance. You can have your cake and eat it too if you are smart about it.


I am a lot like WTF, I don't replace it until it's needed, and everything I am doing right now financially is for the goal of buying a house. Now, if the housing market can drop a bit more, things will be good for me. It's been hard waiting this boom out, but it will pay off hopefully...

Be patient Jason, n' save the ol' money. Time is on your side. Idaho probably is not as overheated as some areas, but don't over stretch to buy. Buy when it is comfortable with a big down payment. Don't get talked into movin' prematurely for 'tax breaks' et al. Simple formula to cornsider: Value of the water front home you live in, (which a guess should be online) $_____ plus costs, (closing et al). Less 20% down payment, (the minimum one should cornsider IMHO), <$________> that is the potential principal of the loan. Find a program to compute the payment at various interest rates, (this is the ponderin' part). The compare your potential payment to your rent. Should make you feel much better if the values are as outa whack as they are here in the Seattle area. If the formula indicates a real bargin to buy, (remember the down payment is no longer in your savings account). Then you should feel adequately motivated to get the deal done. Don't asume that the house will grow in value, just assume that you will own the place you live in eventually. After 30 years, (I would cornsider that term even it you pay the loan quicker which is your option if you get a no prepayment penalty loan), you will own it regardless of what happens to the value. Sorry for the off topic rant. JR
 

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OldMercsRule said:
JasonJ said:
I like polishing and using my posessions. I derive personal satisfaction (appeasment of OCD) from cleaning, polishing, and using my stuff. I also see my family every weekend, I am with my wife every day, and I spend time with my friends. I work my butt off as well. Maybe the French have a system that works for them, but I like my system just fine. It's all about balance. You can have your cake and eat it too if you are smart about it.


I am a lot like WTF, I don't replace it until it's needed, and everything I am doing right now financially is for the goal of buying a house. Now, if the housing market can drop a bit more, things will be good for me. It's been hard waiting this boom out, but it will pay off hopefully...

Be patient Jason, n' save the ol' money. Time is on your side. Idaho probably is not as overheated as some areas, but don't over stretch to buy. Buy when it is comfortable with a big down payment. Don't get talked into movin' prematurely for 'tax breaks' et al. Simple formula to cornsider: Value of the water front home you live in, (which a guess should be online) $_____ plus costs, (closing et al). Less 20% down payment, (the minimum one should cornsider IMHO), <$________> that is the potential principal of the loan. Find a program to compute the payment at various interest rates, (this is the ponderin' part). The compare your potential payment to your rent. Should make you feel much better if the values are as outa whack as they are here in the Seattle area. If the formula indicates a real bargin to buy, (remember the down payment is no longer in your savings account). Then you should feel adequately motivated to get the deal done. Don't asume that the house will grow in value, just assume that you will own the place you live in eventually. After 30 years, (I would cornsider that term even it you pay the loan quicker which is your option if you get a no prepayment penalty loan), you will own it regardless of what happens to the value. Sorry for the off topic rant. JR

Actually, my area (Sandpoint) has been out of control for the last three years. Some idiot got us in Sunset Magazine and it has been downhill ever since. You could have bought a modest 2 bedroom house for $40,000 4-5 years ago. Same house went as high as $250,000+ over night. Now, same house has stabilized at around $200,000. Still way too high.

Bunch of developers came in and bought every house in tonw that was for sale, tore them down, and built crappy townhouses with no property. The houses are litterally three feet apart from each other. They go for about $200,000-ish apiece. They were able to fit 4 of these things on a lot that originally had one home and a yard.

Most of the trailer parks were bought, trailers destroyed, replaced with crappy townhouses. A lot of people made a lot of money.

Now, there are a bunch of houses for sale, and the prices are too high. The people think they are going to make a buck, but as the local market drops, a lot of poeple will be screwed. the same houses were bought and sold multiple times in a single year, the price going way up each time. Now, the houses sit empty, no one who would want to live in them can afford them.

Out of town, most of the available land was bought up and developed, and now there are vast amounts of lots for sale, but there is a sewer moritorium, so no one can build on them, and no one wants to buy them.

The house I live in was offered to me for $300,000 a few years ago. It is owned by someone who has a bunch of property all over the country. I could not come up with the kind of money needed, and the owner ultimately decided he didn;t need to sell it, he sold another property instead. So, I basically rent a house on the water with a dock, in a neighborhood where a cheap house is now $750,000.

So what I am saying is our little area is disproportionate (income vs realestate prices) to the rest of the country because our little area had become the new Tahoe/Aspen/overpriced nightmare...
 

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Re: Sadly we are a materialistic society...

That is, of course, why we need to be armed to the hilt!

To protect all those possessions!
 

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It's like that all over; own a 2 bed, one bath house (804sf, mind you) in jacksonville fl. Appraised at $90,000. I chose to live 20 miles away, in a mobile home on one acre, with my shop, my wildlife, and quietness. Wife wan'ts to move into town and add on to house, and live there; I wouldn't trade the dump I live in here, for that traffic and noise- like jb, have learned what rings my chimes, cheaply. I used to build all those condos and townhouses- the housing crunch got me laid off. I figured I could lay out of work for a year, if I had to. Just got my tax bill on the trailer- back to work quickly; our government encourages high property taxes, in order to spend our money to get re-elected.
 

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So Im a materalistic basturd, whoppie doie. Does it hurt anyone else? I dont give a flip about money, its toys and land that are my material possetions, and Ill pass them down to the kids to play with. Want a contribution to your charity ? see my will. Ya can have it then.:love:
 

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If some one backed into my cars bumper just to make some room i would kill them.:devil:As for a materilistic yes i would say we are but as for polishing and looking after our posessions i think for most of us its a pride thing.Thats kinda how i was brought up was to look after your stuff and it lasts a long time.
 

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JB said:
Nothing I have learned in life (and that a lot later than I would like) has served my happiness better than knowing the differences between what I need and what I merely want.

JB, Iboats boating forums, 2007.




I never said don't take care of your stuff. I'm simply saying if we wouldn't have all this "stuff" we would have more time for friends and family because we wouldn't have to, as one member stated so aptly, "become slaves to our possessions".

If we all spent as much time working on family bonds and spending time with family as we spend with our "stuff", we wouldn't have alot of the problems we have in our society today. Our kids wouldn't be called the most "narcisistic generation ever". We train our kids that things matter, but I've never seen a hearse with a luggage rack.

I find it interesting that pride in oneself comes from taking care of possessions, instead of giving to the needy or volenteering at the local Red Cross center, for instance. I'm not passing judgement, just making observations. That conversation with that girl really opened my eyes.

It's not a right or wrong issue, just something to think about.

Oh yea, and email doesn't count as family togetherness time, btw. 8)
 

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They buy little cars because their fuel taxes are high and hence fuel is high. It is not because they don't like stuff. The French are known for fashion, that is stuff, extravagant food is stuff. Every society since the beginning of time equates stuff with status. The caveman with the best weapons and the best tools was always the coolest, got the hottest caveladies etc. I think we are hardwired to get stuff.
 

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It's human nature. Every one wants more or better than they have. If the need for better or more was not inherent we would still be living in caves.
 
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