Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

bootle

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A family in the US state of Oregon is suing a neighbour for damages of $1.6m over the death of its dog which was run over by a truck in 2004. <br />Neighbour Raymond Weaver was convicted of animal abuse in a criminal trial but Mark Greenup and his family want civil damages for loss of companionship. <br /><br />Such claims are normally reserved for humans and the case could change the way US law determines pet ownership. <br /><br />A jury trial begins on Tuesday to consider the family's claim. <br /><br />Grizz, a Labrador retriever and cocker spaniel mix, had to be put down after being run over. <br /><br />Mr Weaver's lawyer argued the incident was an accident and wants the loss of companionship claim to be dropped. <br /><br />But Mr Weaver was convicted of animal abuse and reckless endangerment of another person in a criminal trial last year. <br /><br />New precedent <br /><br />A jury will now determine whether the loss of the pet is worth more than the typical compensation which usually equals the value of the animal and expenses such as veterinary care. <br /><br />Legal experts say if the family is successful it could change the law's perception of animals as property. <br /><br />"A pet is something more than property and people deal with pets differently than TVs or cars," the family lawyer, Geordie Duckler says. <br /><br />"People who wouldn't be distressed over the loss of a car would be at the loss of a dog."
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Hey may be they should change the "loss of companionship" to wrongfull death in a civil suit.<br />it worked in the OJ trail.<br />ken
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Hey my dogs are more important to me than my vehicles. Just ask some of the kids that used to come blasting up my driveway at 40 mph. We came to an understanding reel quick about the importance om my dogs lives.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Hey, the dog was euthanized. If it was as valuable as a human life they would've saved it. Their decision, done deal, no suit. My story and I'm stickin' to it.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

there is a diff in what we feel and what the law of the land should be. we might also find someone devastated that a backyard deer became the main entree at a neighbors bbq next.<br /><br />sad and legally justifiable is the diff in a bridge and a footlog.<br /><br />i may be p.o'd and want to beat a man over even accidentally killing my pet, but i'm not understanding bringing the whole community's tax base into question on this type of issue. and i mean tax base loosely, as in harming the group instead of the individual.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Good point QC.
 

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If this guy is violent and did abuse the animal then he should be skinned alive, or atleast treated the same as he treated someones pet. <br /> <br /> If this was an accident then I'm sure he feels bad enough, and no amount of money will bring the pup back.<br /> <br /> Animal abuse is a serious problem in this country, and shouldn't be laughed at.
 

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Animals are property, no different than livestock in the eyes of the law. Had it been a cow, the owner could get compensation for lost revenue. But I can't think of any revenue from a dog unless it's bred. Being it's a mutt, no claim there. If a judge is making the call, there won't be much for compensation. With the cruelty issue, it could result in punitive damages which I believe go to the State and not the plaintiff. If a jury is settling it, who knows? But 1.6mil for a mutt? Gimme a break! I hope the poor dog's owner has a lawyer that only collects if he wins. He's going to lose a lot of money if he's paying this shyster by the hour. What is a third of diddly-squat?<br /><br />Chances are that the "perpetrator" is filthy rich and they're hoping for a large out-of-court settlement. You're not going to sue for millions if the defendant has no prayer of paying up. We're talking about GREED here in my opinion and if that is the owner's motive, a POX on him!
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

WTF Why is the dog even running lose in the street in the FIRST place to get hit<br /><br />Its the OWNERS responsibility to keep the animal in control NOT the guy driveing down the street<br /><br /><br />And in NY you have to stop if you hit a dog BUT not a cat ,whats that all about :confused: <br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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I love my dogs there spoiled rotten and get whatever they want.<br /> But i know here if a car hits a dog its the dog owners resonsibility for damages,just like if a cow or livestock was out in the street.
 

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I was gonna say that also i know of a number of cases were the dog owner has been held responsible for causeing Bicycle accidents<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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" What tommays and Ron said.<br /><br />-Unless he drove into the back yard, through the chain-link fence and into the dog-house. On purpose.<br /><br /><br />Personally, I'd have blamed it on the cat.<br /><br /><br />spots
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Your topic should read, "Are pets as important as people?"<br /><br />Some folks value pets above all people except immediate family.<br /><br />I would miss Catzilla a lot, but then I could get a lab! :)
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

The loss of a pet is always terrible but the only way an animal can have "rights" is if it has reasoning and deductive powers, ie: If I run in the street I may get killed so I think I'll stay on the porch. If animals have the same rights as people then a mountain lion or wolf that kills a deer should be arrested for murder. Granted these are absurd examples but many people feel that animals have the same or even more rights than people.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Originally posted by QC:<br /> Hey, the dog was euthanized. If it was as valuable as a human life they would've saved it. Their decision, done deal, no suit. My story and I'm stickin' to it.
I am a proponent of euthanasia in all living beings, providing of course the situation warrants such action.<br />In the case of a human there must be a consensual agreement with the subject.<br />In the case of a pet, the permission of the owner should be sought prior to said procedure.<br />It was not very long ago that many humans were also regarded as property, we were wrong then and could possibly be wrong now.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

When animals can ingauge in self-directed persuits to earn income to pay taxes and take care of themselves, they can have full rights.
 

QC

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Originally posted by tommays:<br /> And in NY you have to stop if you hit a dog BUT not a cat ,whats that all about :confused:
There is Justice in the world . . . My opinion of New York just went up a notch :D
 

bootle

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Originally posted by gspig:<br /> When animals can ingauge in self-directed persuits to earn income to pay taxes and take care of themselves, they can have full rights.
Dear oh dear! are'nt we the self righteous ones.<br />Animals did just fine through the ages prior to human intervention.
 

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"It was not very long ago that many humans were also regarded as property, we were wrong then and could possibly be wrong now."<br /><br />Intriguing thought, Darth.<br /><br />Many years ago I did a case study on how people would adjust to a Constitutional amendment forbidding ownership of animal species. Everbody became market hunters.
 

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Re: Should our pets recieve the same rights as us? (c&p)

Originally posted by gspig:<br /> When animals can ingauge in self-directed persuits to earn income to pay taxes and take care of themselves, they can have full rights.
Well, that eliminates children.
 
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