so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

johndoe

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really. So much more boat for the money... moderate level of quality, but the same motor as Searay, same basic hull design and process of construction... why pay more? is it the name? is it the "bad rap"
 

Reel Poor

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

You would have to take one apart to really begin to see the significant differences. Its not the engine or drive. Its the covered up construction,<br />in a nutshell they use the cheaper componants ie,<br />vinyl, guages, hardware, ect,ect.
 

johndoe

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

Okay, I get that... if you are looking at resale, down the road... But, if wll maintained, it should alst as long as anything...?<br /><br />but overall is it a good value?<br /><br />I have ot found any other manufacturer with a similar design as the 242 classic... hardtop with v-berth, enclosed head, dinette, and lots of room on the rear deck for fishing.<br /><br />any other manufacturers?
 

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

Value boats just need a little more attention and babying. There not ment to be beat to death in open water. They should also be garage kept and kept as dry as possible. If your gonna store it outside I would reconsider. If you buy new you will definately take the hit. Resale on a value boats is not always what you would expect. There are a lot of value boats on the market. Bayliner is one of the leading boat sellers in the US. Options and upgraeds do help in these instances.
 

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

you guys have chevy and ford arguments in australia we have holden (Chevy) and ford arguments , some of us like imports and then its honda or mazda or toyota it goes on and on.<br /><br />i have a 1993 bayliner ciera 2255 that i purchased used, 6 years ago ive since looked at other boats and yeah there are better, and worse brands on the market, its all about value for money. i cant afford a 250thousand dollar car or a 2 million dollar home or a 100 thousand dollar boat but i can afford my choice of boat and be able to improve it in areas that i feel are needing, like upgrade the stereo or repower with the latest technology upgrade upholestry or through hull fittings.all of which i have done<br /><br />the bonus in this for me is that it becomes an education thing researching different products and how they will effect my boat,plus getting to know the internal workings of my boat,<br /><br /> its a hobby some thing that one cant put a monetary value on and when i see how much effort is required to keep my boat in good condition i for one am glad i havent sunk the huge amount of money into it to get the glamour counter tops or flashy fabrics or chrome plated name on the side , just so my neighbours can say wow he's made it<br /><br /><br />However if i win the lottery everything said here is hull and void<br /><br />Regards Ewen
 

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I'm with ya on the lottery thing...Funny!<br /><br />Your last statement made too much sense... <br />I had 1966 Chrysler 16 ft... I partially rebuilt the floor, went through the motor, got it running and never felt better when me and my Dad went cruising down the canals in Ocean Shores, WA in it... (He loved Australia, too!)<br /><br />The other side of my head says, if you start out with new, you are ahead of the, "effort required to keep my boat in good condition" game. I constantly work on my boat. I am making an assumption that a new boat will be more time on the water than having to repower, or re upholstery... Basic stuff is hobby in itself... waxing, oil changes, fuel stabilizer, battery charging, electronics, canvas, trailer hitches, wheel bearings, outdrive, gear oil, etc... <br /><br />Stuck in the middle I guess
 

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

This subject has been beat to the floor so many times, there are people who we will say can afford top of the line and want people to see them in one. Then you have the people who can not buy one of the best so we purchase what we can. It is not what you are seen in that counts, to me it is what you feel is best for you. Mine floats and runs well and to me looks very nice and I love it. I could care less what anyone else thinks about it. As long as you are happy, that is all that matters. It takes time and effort to keep them all in good shape, as ewen said, I am glad I did not put all that money into a boat so I do not feel as bad when something goes wrong. It's a hobby to relax by and enjoy your time on the water. Just enjoy and relax.
 

Silver/Fish

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

Kudo's for the comments on boat ownership as a hobby and a learning curve... <br /><br />What else am I supposed to do this summer? Work more hours? Not a chance! :D <br /><br />P.S. Some (friends) of ours had a top of the line 36' and looked good too, until the Repo man showed up to dry dock it! :eek: :eek:
 

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ahhh,<br />Finally some Bayliner owners are coming out of the woodwork...<br /><br />I agree, it's not what other think, it's all about the quiet hidden bay with the hook down, sun going down, cold beer in cooler, and fresh crab in the pot... that's what boating is to me!<br /><br />I will be there this summer... probably in my new Bayliner <br /><br /> :)
 

ljshein

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

ok guys, I have a slightly different take... my first boat 2 years ago was / is an 1984 bayliner capri 1800. Forget about ford / chevy / toyota and nissan. You buy a vehicle based on price / value and reliability. <br /><br />I have a love hate relationship with my bayliner. Mechanically its been well behaved. I'm aware of the maintenance issues and try to keep ahead of the thing so it doesn't bite me and so far I've been successful. On the other hand, my floor had some rot so this winter I've be re-building and I had to remove EVERTHING, including the stringers! I've learned an incredible amount and when I'm done I'll have a boat that won't rot for anotehr 23+ years.<br /><br />Would I do it again? probably not... but I've learned a lot about boat construction techniques. I went to the Atlanta boat show a couple of moths ago and looked at a lot of different manufacturers. I opened the hatches and dug down to take a peek at how they were put together. Funny thing is the new bayliners haven't changed much as compared to my 23 year old boat. The construction feels cheap. Even the backing on the seats and cushions are untreated wood. Maxum at least used plastic on the seats. When I looked at a few others, the thing I noticed was that they thought about the long term rot potential and tried to put plastic and other non-rot materials in critical places during the construction. <br /><br />So I guess what I'm saying is, If you get a good deal on a 2 or 3 year old bayliner and keep it for 3 to 5 years you'll probably do well as long as you keep ahead of the maintenance. If you want a boat that's going to last longer, bayliner is probably not the best choice. Don't get me wrong, you always need to do the maintenance on any manufacturer but I don't consider replacing a floor maintenance.<br /><br />Jeff
 

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Jeff,<br />I can agree with you on some points... but there is a reason that the floor or seats rot... other than just being 10, 15 or 23+ years old.<br /><br />A floor rots because it is exposed to water and left to stew in it... I beleive that when a boat is not in use, EVERY drop of water must be eliminated! This is the only way to insure there is no rot! <br /><br />One of my quirks (oh yea, there are a lot of em) is to store my boat (garaged) with the bow down so that the drive can be lowered completely. Before and during the process of lowering the bow, I get every drop of water out of the bildge, storage hatches, compartments, gunwales...etc.<br />Most of my buddies comment that they always store their boat with bow up so the water can drain out the plug hole. I counter that there is no water... therfore none to drain.<br /><br />Granted, I am talking about off season storage..., during the season, I wash and leave bow up to drain, then if I am not using it for two or more weeks, I use my old towels to wipe all the water and condenstation out... when it goes in the garage, there is no moisture...<br /><br />Starting out with a new boat, properly maintaining it... seems to make it last longer... or is it just me?
 

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

My first Bayliner is a 77 Victoria. 27' cabin cruiser that was stored bow down outside. Yep, it was saturated with nasty stagnant water. I watched this boat for 5 years sitting in a warehouse lot. Each year I would make an offer, the owner would not drop his asking price of 8K. Finally he took another look at the boat and realized that so much damage was done because his lack of care for it. I got it and the triaxle Float-On trailer for 4K. <br /><br />Yes, I had to do plenty of work. Removed the gas tank, and replaced the stringers that were never encapsulated with fiberglass. Of course under the built in tank, nobody would ever see this. I did and repaired the whole area under the tank and back to the transom.<br /><br />I have docked it for the last 5 years going on 6 here shortly. Wife and I absolutly love it. Hot, cold, snow, rain, and wind doesn't keep us off the water now. I just love having an old boat. You don't worry about every little scrape or scratch. I still have some issues with it in some areas, but nothing major. I keep the maintenance up on the engine/outdrive and never have had a tow or break down while at the dock or on the lake. Knocking on wood right here right now!<br /><br />Everyon has their preference in what they want to be seen in. Looks is a big issue for many people. I could care less about looks. Being on the water and enjoying life as I see it is what counts.<br /><br />One of the seasonal campers that comes down to the docks each year does badmouth bayliner. Each year he says "I'm gonna have my new Cobalt next year and then you will see a good constructed boat. Yep, he has said that for the last 5 years and he still doesn't have a boat.<br /><br />Does bashing Bayliners bother me,,,,,,,,NO!
 

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Have never owned a Bayliner myself, I have nothing to say, bad or good about them. <br />But I will say that there are bad ones along with good ones in any boat.<br /><br />I have messed with bass boats all my live from the real cheap flat bottoms to some of your hi end boats, bullet, ranger, stratos, allison, etc and I have found in them, bad ones also.<br /><br />Myself, I think it is all in how they are taking care of.<br />I now have a Gambler, it was well maintained before I got it and it shows. Ask SS, he has seen it.<br />It stays in the garage when not in use. That is just me.<br /><br />But is there bad ones out there, sure. I belong to a bass boat forum and it is plain to see the bad ones out there in any boat.<br /><br />Like I said, upkeep is the name of the game on any boat.<br />So you Bayliner people, Just Keep On Keeping On. :cool:
 

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Yep, I've seen Spinners Gambler,,,,,,on the trailer was easy to see,,,,,on the water,,,,,,it was just a flash going by gonfishn and me! :D <br /><br />Very nice boat Spinner, I know you have heard me say it before and I'll say it again. :D
 

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I owned two Bayliners. One was a 1988 and another is 1995. ( I also have owned several other boats: Boston Whalers, Thompson and MFG) I found the Bayliners to be just fine. Some of the urban legends that still around; I have found none to be true or remotely true. What I have found to be true is they as durable as any other boat out there. Over the years engines have been either Volvo, OMC or Mercruiser. Same as Formula Cruisers or Sea Ray. Not to say Bayliners are the same as a Formula ect but you get my point. Given the same maintenace either good or bad reliablity should be about the same. Bayliner uses lesser quality parts like rubrail, carpet, interior latches, headliner material or fewer cleats but its not as if you see your Bayliner falling apart before your eyes as some people like you to belive. I had to put a thru-hull fitting in the bottom of my Bayliner hull and was surprised at the hull thickness. If I had belived all talk about Bayliner I would have used a apple coring tool and not a hole saw. True they may not have the same deadrise in transom as maybe a Sea Ray or a Maxum. One other reason that I see Bayliner can get a bad rap is that a lot of people they are a first boat. Often times they get neglected and are abused. Those boats get into the market place and thus the stories abound. There is no other boat out there that will give you value that a Bayliner will. <br /><br />Every year were I boat I see Bayliners towing in other boat brands than any other boat.
 

ljshein

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Re: so what's so bad about a Bayliner?

johndoe,<br /><br />I'm with you on the maintenance. Take any mechanical object and don't maintain it and it will eventually break down. My experience tells me that you need to do more maintenace in advance with a bayliner to get the same level of reliability as some other brands.<br /><br />Personally, I like the maintenance aspect of boat ownership... as long as the boat is safe and provides fun for my family.<br /><br />For the average boat owner that does very little of their own maintenance any older boat can be a nightmare. Just know your limits and go in with eyes wide open and as long as you have a resonable expectation, Bayliner can be as good as any other brand.
 

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As long as you are happy and like your boat thqat is all that matters to me. I could care less what Jone Doe has tro say about my Bayliner, he does not have to pay for it or fix it or even ride in it. One time I had a friend who made fun of mu Bayliner then one day his cobalt broke down and my poor little Bay towed him to the dock. He has never said another word.
 

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I've had Glastrons and Wellcrafts's and had to replace floors on both ofd them, I've had 2 Bayliners and have been pleaseed with both of them, the main problem is the previous owners, didn't know how to care for any boat!If I could afford to buy a new boat I'd buy a new Bayliner, at a fair retail price, but with the slew of Bayliner boats on the resale market, that may never happen!!!!
 

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I recently purchased a bayliner trophy that sat in a field for 6 years without any use and no cover, 150 hp force outboard. I purchased it covered in snow not even being able too really inspect it. price was ok but around here trophys are very rare, any other offshore vessel is non existent. I was worried with every shovel full of snow that I would find rotted wood or defects. I put the boat in the garage and thawed it completely, Got a few deck plates and the jig saw and went too work! Not one bit of rot! drilled stringers, like new under the deck forward and aft. The motor was the next worry, never even heard it run. Changed plugs and lower unit oil and battery, Engine started up almost instantly at approx. 35 degrees. put the boat on the water this week and boat ran perfectly. I am either one lucky guy or this craft is actually pretty decent! Yes the components of this boat are slightly cheaper, But are all easily replaced with after market components.
 

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Hi all,<br />just new to this forum, i have just purchased a 2855 Bayliner, before that (which i still have) is a Wellcraft 2000 Eclipse. I havent found any major problems with my Bayliner. I'm not an expert on boats, but i can say is that what think of how many Bayliners there are out there, and then think of how many other manufactures (Brands, models) are out there. Bayliner have far more boats out there than any other brand, naturely theres going to be more compliants about Bayliner. So if you go by percentages, it would be even, i'm sure any other model of boat has there problems. So thats my ten cents worth :)
 
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