Stainless vs. Aluminum

MikDee

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Go with the Hustler, from what I read here, it's designed like a SS prop, and everyone who's tried one here is more then pleased, it's the best "Bang for the Buck!"
 

Tail_Gunner

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So much is being said for the alum props and Huslter in particular.....i believe i will make a case for SS.....While more expensive it is also more efficent and durable. A light scraping on the bottom may take a bit of the luster off the edges while a alum will look abused...:D

In all seriousness a SS will outperform a alum every time..:)p) due to the basic strenght of the material itself....You can also cast more complex design's without deformation occuring while under a load...hence it higher efficeny.

And in the end you will spend 150.00 or... more it will look a hell of a lot nicer than a black wheel sitting on your trailer...part of the whole boating insanity..:D


http://boatpropellers.iboats.com/Me...andard&**********=094160824&*******=109178530

Lower planning speed's and increased midrange punch, great prop as reviewed by Walleyehed

http://boatpropellers.iboats.com/Me...andard&**********=094160824&*******=109178530

That Solas is very well priced....top speed and a bow lifter i doubt that you need a stern lifter with a 3.0

Have fun and good luck lots of good info in here

Strickly a opinion your milage may vary
 

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I do like shinny things! Stainless would look great on my boat! I changed my through hull fittings, bilge vents, horn covers and soon to be docking lights to chrome or stainless...

I just wish it didn't seem like such a hit or miss choosing the correct stainless prop. Tail-gunner you seem to like stepping down to a 19"P SS from my 21"P aluminum. Other folks say a 2"P change is to much... Some feel I would increase the rpms by 400. Go with the 20'P SS? I'm so badly confused........ Solas looks like a great prop (decent price for stainless). Not sure what bow-lifting or stern lifting are???? Does this prop keep the bow high? (please ignore my ignorance) Not sure if i want the bow high... To me that means I'm not correctly on plane?

I guess what I'm getting at is ...

I would love to have a SS as my main prop.

I would like if it would perform as well at hole-shot and WOT as my current prop. Any extra performance would be bonus.

I wish there were a magical scientific calculator I could punch numbers into, and would spit out the SS prop data or part number to go with. (And the data were at least 98.3217%accurate all the time) =-)

I would be bummed out, if I spent $3-400 a SS prop and it didn't perform at least as well as my current prop, or had good low end and washed out at WOT, and vice versa.

To stainless or not to stainless... That is the question! or I mean " to be or not to be"

I found this on the Turning Point prop page. The calculator is suggesting 21"-23"P in satinless for my boat?

http://www.turningpointpropellers.com/#propWizard I entered my boats data, 20 gal fuel, 3 Batteries, 1 trolling motor, 2 people, 300lbs of gear,
 

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Cuda you will not gain 400 rpm by going to a good SS prop. The primary difference between SS and alum is the material itself, alum deforms under the high stress pushing a boat.....some will say you cannot cast complex shapes or curves into alum which can enhance a design aka something as simple as cupping, bow lift or stern lift....but if the material itselfs deforms so why even spend the time and effort. That is very reason for the SS...the material it is a stronger and does not deform under pressure........and does not take a rock hit lightly......:D

When propping the boat you always find one that drives the boat to the peak of the engines rpm band. Using alum if you need a 21 as in you case you have hit the top end of that band, now going to a good SS of your choice... the rule of thumb is a 200 drop in rpm..so a 21p ss should net you out @ 4600 rpm...;) but now if you choose a high quality prop with some cupping your probably going to loose another 200rpm...4400 rpm..a bit low..so go down 1 inch now that puts you in a 20 and most 3 blades are odd pitched opps

Maybe now you can understand why a 19p SS with cupping will net you out to about 4800 to 4900 increase your top speed due to blade design and cupping....and at the same time increase you hole shot...a 19p prop will push a 19' boat out of the hole faster than a 21p alum and as speed increase's will not deform as much......if you find a prop that enhances your boat or hull design in your case bow lift....you will have less wetted surface dragging the water...increasing top speed or effeincy.
 

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Tail-gunner,

Thanks for helping me understand dude...

I get it now...

Gonna save my cash and go for the SS with some cupping 19"P

Thanks again!

Cuda,
 

MikDee

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IMO, With 2 theoretically exact shaped props, one Alum, & one SS.

I have a theory as to how an aluminum prop works. At takeoff, and acceleration as it screws itself through the water from engine torque, it flex's some, (digs in) and gains more pitch giving you a good hole shot. Once you are at any set speed, it begins to revert back to it's original pitch, but water pressure directly at it, at speed, causes it to flex, and flatten out a bit, losing pitch. This loss of pitch is greatest at WOT.

On the other hand, stainless flex's very little, it doesn't gain much pitch during takeoff, or acceleration, plus also because of it's heavier weight (rotating mass), it doesn't give you as much initial bite. However, at any set speed, and at WOT it doesn't flex much at all, hence working your motor harder, and delivering more top speed.

The SS prop grabbing, (pushing) more water by design, needs to be less pitch then a comparable Alum prop. Usually also if it's cupped, it needs even less pitch, we are back to a 19" pitch SS as I mentioned previously. ;)

At least that is what I have found through trial, & error.
 

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The Solas is large in diameter, and probably has more blade area, it's designed for heavier boats needing more power, and to stay on plane, even during turns easier, plus a bit less speed. Your boat is light with the 3.0 motor, I would have gone with the Stiletto that is more like the size of the stock Merc prop, but sleeker, more efficient, it even has venting for better hole shot, and it's cheaper, but that's my opinion.

http://boatpropellers.iboats.com/Me...andard&**********=957251780&*******=125950851
 

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MikDee,

Thanks for catching that... I value all opinions...

I called iboats and stopped my order. I didn't realize the prop was bigger. Is 14.25" and 14.75" that much of a noticable difference? Were talking 0.5", and actually makes the hole 0.25" bigger in the water... :( confused again about what to do? Tail-Gunner... Any input my friend? Also the Solas says it's a stern lifting prop... I think bow lift would be better getting more of the boat out of the water... The Stiletto prop doesn't mention anything about positive rake... Just cupping...
 

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MikDee,

Thanks for catching that... I value all opinions...

I called iboats and stopped my order. I didn't realize the prop was bigger. Is 14.25" and 14.75" that much of a noticable difference? Were talking 0.5", and actually makes the hole 0.25" bigger in the water... :( confused again about what to do? Tail-Gunner... Any input my friend? Also the Solas says it's a stern lifting prop... I think bow lift would be better getting more of the boat out of the water... The Stiletto prop doesn't mention anything about positive rake... Just cupping...

The stock aluminum Black Max Merc prop is 14"X19" I've had a few of these, and used one on a heavier 79' - 20' SeaRay bowrider with a 305V8, and it was fine. At the time a Michigan wheel was bigger in diameter, and also had bigger size blades, when I moved up to a 24' Searay Cuddy with a 350V8, I needed the Michigan wheel because of the extra weight, to keep the boat on plane at lower speeds, and while turning, but it was a bit slower with it.

1/2" to 1" more in diameter does make a difference, it usually means a bigger size blade as well, and does create extra drag. Don't worry about bow lifting, or (stern lifting = for heavier boats) I think you'll be extremely pleased with the Stiletto, IMO it has a sleek high perf design, a lot of guys here rave about them.
 

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Didnt know i boats had the Stillettos back in stock...:D there are a very good prop and the price seems to be lowered...let me check a few things

Do you know your gearing in your outdrive..aka 2.0 or 1.8 and do you know if your tach is accurate within 100 rpm???
 

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Gunner,

Not sure about ratio on the outdrive... I can go take a look after work. Also have no idea about tach being calibrated within 100 rpm... The dealer I bought the boat from said it's most likely a 1.8... But I'll look at the drive tonight. Stamped on the side correct?

MikDee... Ditto the venting on the Stiletto.... less expensive as well...
 

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I think the answer to your question lies in what your goals are. If you merely want to go faster, and have the "WOT rpm room" for more pitch, you can surely do that without buying a SS prop. If you want more "holeshot," the same is true. You can drop down an inch in pitch, buy a 4 blade prop, etc.

One thing that you do have to realize, however, is that SS props behave differently than aluminum props in some ways. I had no experience with SS props until I bought the one that I now own. It is the same number of blades, the same diameter, and the same pitch as the aluminum prop that I replaced. I bought it because I wanted to be able to get on plane more easily, and wanted to be able to hold plane at slower speeds. Upon advice that I received here at iboats, I opted to get the 3 blade SS prop, rather than an aluminum, 4 blade prop. The logic was simply that a SS prop is stiffer, and has better resistence to blade flex. That part proved to be true, and I ended up getting the performance that I wanted. What surprised me, however, is that contrary to popular opinion, I actually ended up with a 150 rpm increase in WOT rpm. That fact really pleased me because I expected the WOT rpm to drop slightly, and I was running lower in the WOT range than I really should have been - still in the acceptable range but right at the middle point of that. So, I ended up improving performance both where I expected to, and where I didn't expect to.

One downside to SS props is that they are expensive. This being the case, you have to figure out what you want/need accurately, before buying a new SS prop. You can, however, get help in doing this. Many outboard motor dealers sell used SS props. If they know you via prior business or referral, they will sometimes let you try a few props to see what works best for you. You can then go ahead and buy the used prop that you like best, or buy a brand new one. I ended up buying a used prop right away because my dealer had exactly what I was looking for, and he gave me an incredible buy, which brings me to my next point.

You very much can get deals on SS props. The one that I bought is a cupped, Powertech wheel. Although I didn't ask, I think it had been brought in to be rehubbed and dressed. My dealer sold it to me for $50.00! My guess is that he did that because the customer never came back to pick it up, and the my guy just wanted to get his costs back. Given that the prop involved is a $350.00 wheel if purchased new, I was pretty darn happy!
 

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Hi Jay,

My goals are to have a SS prop that performs as well as my current aluminum prop. Good hole-shot, ability to hold plane at slower speeds, and ability to keep my 3.0 WOT in spec range ~4800rpm. If I gained speed thats a bonus but not important...

To many goals right!

What Tail-Gunner says below makes sense to me...

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When propping the boat you always find one that drives the boat to the peak of the engines rpm band. Using alum if you need a 21 as in you case you have hit the top end of that band, now going to a good SS of your choice... the rule of thumb is a 200 drop in rpm..so a 21p ss should net you out @ 4600 rpm... but now if you choose a high quality prop with some cupping your probably going to loose another 200rpm...4400 rpm..a bit low..so go down 1 inch now that puts you in a 20 and most 3 blades are odd pitched opps

Maybe now you can understand why a 19p SS with cupping will net you out to about 4800 to 4900 increase your top speed due to blade design and cupping....and at the same time increase you hole shot...a 19p prop will push a 19' boat out of the hole faster than a 21p alum and as speed increase's will not deform as much......if you find a prop that enhances your boat or hull design in your case bow lift....you will have less wetted surface dragging the water...increasing top speed or effeincy.

Now what you are sayin is with your SS prop being the same size and pitch as your aluminum, you gained hole-shot and improved RPM's right? This is frying my brain....:confused: Is your SS progressive or fixed pitch? As it should have dropped rpms at WOT.

I'll see if any of the dealers will let me test props, or if they have used SS in stock... Good idea... Bummer is we have ice on all our lakes now... :(
 

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Hi Jay,

My goals are to have a SS prop that performs as well as my current aluminum prop. Good hole-shot, ability to hold plane at slower speeds, and ability to keep my 3.0 WOT in spec range ~4800rpm. If I gained speed thats a bonus but not important...

To many goals right!...

Nope.

See if you can find a TorqueShift prop. Take off with an 11" pitch that increases progressively to the 19-26" range. The problem is finding a good one, or enough parts to build a good one. They are no longer in production and if not properly maintained can be pretty rough. Great prop though.
 

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OOPS, already discussed the shifting prop 10-15 posts ago, oh well.
 

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14" Stainless Steel Boat Propellers, 3-Blade, Right or Left Hand, H. R. Titan Prop 20 Pitch



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And the prop is a bow lifting prop....there ya go it may take a day or so for i-boats to verify inventory but it is avaible out there...... right away..;)

The Stilletto 19 is a very good prop and a great buy, i do believe it would make a great prop. But the Solas is bow lifter and should hit you @ about the right rpm of 4700-4800 rpm

http://www.solas.com/products/propeller/stainless.asp


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Tail-Gunner,

My ratio is 2.0:1 drive SN = OL448413

My current prop has this data on it.

L 48-832832-C1-21

Not sure how to figure out diameter? I didn't measure it cuz I thought maybe the numbers would decode that?

does L mean left rotation?
 

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First of all in the description it says the Solas HR Titan is a sternlifting prop. If you had a heavy V8 in the back I'd say maybe get it, otherwise not, but just type "Stiletto" in the search bar in this forum category, and you'll find Dhadley I believe, on another post saying the Stiletto is a bow lifting design. Also in the testing link at the top, the Stiletto did quite well, and it's designed like the top rated Apollo there.

The stock Merc Black Max 21" pitch aluminum prop is usually 13-3/4" Diam. the 19" pitch one like I had is 14"X19", and I believe the next one down the line is 14-1/2"X 17"

Do you have left hand prop? that's unusual if so, put up a picture so we can tell you if it is or not?
 
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