Starcraft SS's: 1976 + 1982 = 1 'new' boat

[filltbo]

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Re: Starcraft Holiday: 1976 + 1982 = 1 'new' boat

The build continues. I pulled up the floor that was temporaraly down for fitting purposes and started filling the hull with as much foam as I could. I used 2inch thick pink foam from a big box store. I put 3 sheets in. That comes to cu sq ft of pink foam. I had some white styro and put that in too. in total I have 10.8 cubic feet of foam in the floor. I sliced the pink foam and put it in vertically... I was able to get more volume in like that and it keeps an air space under it because the ribs keep it up off the bottom of the hull.


Next came putting the floor back in and riviting it to the ribs and stringers. I used 48 3/8 inch x 3/4 inch aluminum pop rivits. The rivits were set 2 inches in from the edge of the ply, and about every 12 inches in the two stringers.


Rivets = $7.79
3 sheets of pink 2 ft by 8 ft by 2 inches foam board = 17.91 a sheet ($53.73)
4 spools of wire for the wiring that is coming soon... 100ft roles, 11.21 a role ($44.84)

Time 17 hrs .

Total time 49 hrs.
Total expense= $1279. I sold my second hull to a duck hunter. He wanted an open hull boat so I sold it for $247.... beat sending it to the scrap pile (at 50 cents a pound i would have gotten about the same).

Total adjusted expense = $1,032.

For some reason I can't load any pics today...... will put them in soon.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Wish the iBoats server was squared away. Nice read, but as a 3rd grader I prefer the pix.

Sounds like you'll end up w/ real nice rig, w/ minimal money. Esp for an 18footer.

Good luck getting her done for the upcoming season!

 

[bob johnson]

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hey since I bought your other hull, I am interested in following along...but there are NO pictures thaT I CAN ON THIS THREAD AT ALL!!!

but I can see pictures on other threads...whats the story with that?

bob

 

[Grandad]

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Next came putting the floor back in and riviting it to the ribs and stringers. I used 48 3/8 inch x 3/4 inch aluminum pop rivits. The rivits were set 2 inches in from the edge of the ply, and about every 12 inches in the two stringers.

Glad to hear the progress. Wish I could actually see the progress, but ...
Just a suggestion about rivet spacing where the plywood sheets butt together. If you're using the original sheet aluminum joiner strips that run transverse (athwartship?) of the centerline, put the rivets much closer together, in opposing pairs. I put mine no more than about 3" apart. Your 5/8" plus fibreglass will be stiffer than my 1/2" without FG but you still want to avoid any flex between sheets that will cause floor coverings to wear or loosen at the wiggle points. I also countersunk the rivet heads slightly and filled the holes before installing Nautolex. - Grandad

 

[Woodonglass]

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iBoats pics are all messed up at the moment. Open a FREE Photobucket account and use the IMG tag to copy and paste your pics into your iBoats thread.

 

[filltbo]

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I have not posted anything in a while now. Not because we have not been doing anything, just that it has been very repetitive!.. Sand, filling defects with epoxy, sand some more, find more defects, fill those in, sand... prime, start over... you get the picture. About 20 hours worth of it. I used rattle cans self etching primer (4 cans).

Also finished putting down the fiberglass mat. it took about 2 gallons of resin to do two layers of mat. The stuff drinks it up! I used about 72 linear feet of this mat (about 30 inches wide). WHAT A MESS to work with! But, the floor is strong! it took longer than i expected (6 hrs). I created more of a mess then necessary.... If you overwork the mat it starts to poke fibers up, the more you try to fix it, the more of a problem you make! I just had to walk away, then sand those down and touch up the places I overworked. I got a small roller to push the matt into the resin, that worked ok...but save some money and get a disposible roller.... you can't clean those things.

Lastly, WE PAINTED THE BOAT with the first coat of P22 Benjamin Moore. This is fantasitic one part poly paint. It sprays very, very, very well. I painted a tractor with this a year ago, tough as nails! My son wanted a black boat...so black it is!
Here are some pics of the bow.




And a pic of me taking a picture of myself on the port side of the hull.



With a little polishing compound.(and elbow grease).. it should look like glass!

Expenses (last left off with $1,032).
Another gallon of resin ($40)
1 Gallon of p22 paint (BLACK), $48 (we used about 2 1/2 quarts on the first coat. Still need to do a second coat in a few days from now.
Sand paper $17
Self etching primer $5.38 a can (needed 4 cans).
2 part epoxy to fill gauges (2) at $3 each).

Grand total Expenses = $1,164. This takes care of the tear down, cleaning, rebuilding floor, prepping exterior, and painting. Now we will start the interior work (carpet, dash, instruments, wiring, seats, etc.....

Time (last left off with 49 hours).
Fiberglassing the floor with 2 layers of matt ... 6 hours.
Sanding and prepping exteriour of hull about 20 hours,
Painting ... 2 hours
Grand total Time = 77 hrs.

 

[ezmobee]

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Re: Starcraft Holiday: 1976 + 1982 = 1 'new' boat

The black is sharp! Can't wait to see this one all put back together.

 

[GA_Boater]

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If it wasn't so shiny you could have a stealth SC, filltbo. LOL She's gonna be good looking Holiday. I like the fact that you are keeping track of the $$ and time. Should be an interesting total, especially compared to a glasser re-do.

 

[filltbo]

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Lots of distractions from making a lot of progress on the SS (auctions, getting the garden tilled, Easter). But I did get some odd and ends done. The bilge pump is in. The trim on the transom was polished up and put back with 3/4 #4 stainless screws.

Next came attaching the Bow Light and the 4 cleats.




I thought the 4 1/2 inch cleats looked nice, but a little 'thin'. I made some oval aluminum plates for them and I think they added a lot to the look. Since I was at my folks house (no tools). I used a hand file and a hack saw to make them.



And lastly, since the windshied is on, I started rough cutting the wood pannel on front of the two consoles. Eventually, they will be covered in vinyl.



On the second trailer I had gotten, the trailer was rotten exept for the axel. I sold that for $20.
Expenses.

Bilge pump (500 gal/hr) $56
new 3/4 inch hose for bilge ($5.20)
Cleats (4 of them) for $34.
bow light ($18).
Weather gasket for the bottom of the windshield (3.50)
28 panhead screws for transom edging (#4 3/4 inch) $1.47
Total Expenses to date: $1,282. - the $20 for the axel I sold = $1,262.

Time.

Bow light = 20 min
bilge pump = 45 min
Manufacturing of cleat plates (way too long) 6 hrs.
Putting cleats in - 1 hr
Transom edging 45 min
rough cutting plywood 1 hr 20 minutes.

Total time 77 hrs + 11.5 = 88.5 hrs.

Most of the next tasks are wood related (making the benches, the dashboard) etc...

 

[filltbo]

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Good weekend... lots of rain, perfect excuse to be in the barn.

The focus is now on the wood. I worked on the front seating area. The seating is done with the same wood as the floor (left over). It will eventually have carpeting on it so we can stand and fish from the front. If i had a pattern to work from, it would have been a relatively quick job. As it was, I had a lot of cut/fit/modify and try again! I did make a carboard piece to get the rough fit, but the extra thickness of the wood meant having to make a lot of small adjustments.



I also got to make to support for the bow. It is a piece of mahogany (left over from a previous funiture project). This is the same wood that I will make the dash out of.




In the last post, I forgot to mention that the carpet is in.

Time: Rough cut and fit of the seating area - 7.5 hours
Rough cut and fitting of the bow support piece - 2 hours
putting carpet in 1 hr

Total time to date 88.5 + 10.5 = 98.5 hrs

Expenses;
Carpet plus outdoor adhesive: $53
ply and mahogany..... free

Grand total so far.... $1,282 + 53 = $1,335

 

[rheagler]

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Looking good! I like the plates for the cleats. I also like that you are documenting your time and expenses. I wish I was organized enough to do that!

 

[Stephenatx]

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What are you using to polish the aluminum trim? It looks great.

 

[filltbo]

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What are you using to polish the aluminum trim? It looks great.

Ingredient #1 - Elbow Grease -- and lots of it.
I started with 400 grit wet/dry sand paper. This was to sand out the light surface scratches. Be sure to use a LOTS of water during this process, It helps keep the sandpaper from clogging up.
This was followed by 600 grit sanding (again wet).
Followed by Rubbing compound, I found that rubbing compound (not polishing compound) is similar to 800 grit sandpaper.
and finally, Noxon 7-metal polish.

 

[64osby]

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A Black Beauty - looking awesome. Keep up the nice work. T & M with a labor cost of $0 really helps the budget.

 

[Stephenatx]

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Thanks! Have the elbow grease, 400 and 800 grit sandpaper. Will have to get some rubbing compound and the Nixon-7 metal polish (had never heard of that). Hope I can make mine look half as good as yours.

 

[sprintst]

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Re: Starcraft Holiday: 1976 + 1982 = 1 'new' boat

Fantastic work man. That trim looks new.

 

[filltbo]

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There has been a slow down in progress these past few weeks. Believe it or not the big bottle-neck in decision making was what color vinyl do we use! Once that decision was made, we were able to roll forward.

The bow are seats were fiberglassed, top and bottom and a trap door was cut into the seat for anchor storage.

I painted the two console plywood backs with an oilbased paint and appied the vinyl. The vinyl went on very easily. I cut it to be about 2 inches bigger than the plywood, applied 3M 77 spray adhesive, folded over the edge, and stapled. Once done, i attached to the aluminum consoles from the back using 3/8 #8 stainless screws.




The vinyl on the bow was put in. Rough cut and then using 3M 77 spray adhesive applied to the aluminum. The aluminum still had some glue reminents from the old vinyl, this definatly helped make better adhesion. This process was a real PAIN to do. It took time. I found after doing the first side that on the second side i only applied the adhesive to the bottom third, put the vinyl on and then did the rest..... a lot easier to do it like that.



Thanks to all for your compliments..... pics are good at hiding defects!

Time: Fiberglassing the bow seats and cutting trap door 3 hrs
Painting, attaching Vinyl on consoles and attaching them 3.5 hrs
Attaching vinyl on bow aluminum about 3 hrs (Part of that time was putting myself on a "timeout" to calm down after finding large creases and having to peal it off twice!).
Total time: left off with 98.5 hrs + 9.5 = 108 hrs.

Expenses:
Vinyl (bought a total of 9 yards for the dark tan) 87.91
Vinyl (bought a second lilght tan that will be used for making coshins - 7 yrds 112.93)
3/8 inch staninless screws (100) $5 buck on the nose.
Two bottles of 3M 77 adhesive 11.85 each (23.70)
Total expenses; left off with $1335 + 229.54 = $1,564.54

 

[filltbo]

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The adventure continues.

The seat backs in the bow area were the next project. I used 3/8 ply, with 1 inch foam and then covered with the light tan vinyl. To attach it to the boat i epoxied in 4 1/4 inch by 1 inch carriage bolts. This worked well. I would have gotten a better curve with 1/4 inch ply.... but that was after the fact.... and I am not taking them out now.

I forgot to mention the vinyl colors before, but we chose:
NaugaSoft Doeskin Naugahyde Vinyl (light) The pics do not do them justice.
Tan Marine Vinyl (medium tan)




The vinyl and more floatation foam was added to the sides of the boat. I salvaged the foam from the boat during tear down. Now that the bow is essentially done, we will continue to focus on the back.





The bow light was wired as well as putting in two red curtesy lights under the seats in the bow. They are LED and waterproof. The pic is bad...but you get the idea. It was fun, the whole family piled into the barn after dark to see the light show! The boat is starting to breath a little life now.




Time: seat backs from start to fininsh 3.5 hrs.
Side vinyl and foam 2hrs
Red lights and bow light electric work 1.5 hrs.
Total Time 108 + 7 = 115 hrs.

Expenses:
Plywood and vinyl all previously accounted for.
Logisys Red Clear Water Resistant 3 LED Step Light, Model: MD5RD 3.99each (bought 4 total) Only installed two so far.
Total expenses 1565 + 12 = $1577

 

[GA_Boater]

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Everything is looking top notch, filltbo. You must be good taking pics. I don't see any flaws. Isn't that Noxon-7 the stuff that grows hair?

 

[filltbo]

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The boat is OUT OF THE BARN and has seen daylight for the first time!. Getting off of the temporary rack and onto the trailer wasn't too bad.



Next came making the seat backs in the bow area that were attached to the consols. 1 inch foam over 1/4 inch ply. Screwed on with 3/4 inch stainless screws.


The side panels were also made and attached. This is 1/2 inch ply with vinyl and aluminum trim. The panels are pop riveted into the side supports and screwed to the floor. The hardest part was once again fitting the plywood. This part of the project added a lot of life to the boat.




Next are the dash boards.......

Total time
45 minutes for the seat backs, followed by 6.5 hours for the side panels, and about 1 hr to get the boat on the trailer.

Time = 115 hrs + 8.75 = 121.75

Expenses $0... all accounted for in previous posts... I am just using up vinyl and ply previously purchased.