Step By Step Impeller Change

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gregmsr

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I have a 1989 Force 125 (1251X9D), and a Clymer manual. I want to change the impeller myself for the first time. I will study the manual but if anyone has the time, please give me step by step directions on this process. What to look for, potential problems, additional parts that may be necessary to install, parts numbers, etc.

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Frank Acampora

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These instructions will apply to all three and four cylinder Chrysler one piece lower units, all years, up to all three and four cylinder Force units to 1989. They are all the same design. After 1989, Mercury started to make changes and while the lower units were essentially similar, minor variations were present until Merc completely changed to a Merc midleg and lower unit.

Changing the water pump impeller is easier to do with the engine tilted up.

Below the engine mounting clamps (actually, below the lower engine pivot mount--a plate with 4 bolts holding it) you will see a cylindical shift linkage connector. It will be held with a small pin through it and a smaller cotter pin through the small pin. Pull out the cotter and slip out the pin. The shift linkage is now disconnected.

Now, after noting and marking its position, (because it acts as a trim tab) remove the exhaust snout. It will be held on with a flattened 5/8 inch head bolt just above the propeller. Inside the back of the snout will be either a 1/2 inch hex head or a 3/8 inch socket head cap screw. This holds the back of the snout on.

Up inside the now exposed exhaust cavity you will find the 7th hidden mounting bolt. It will be a 1/2 inch hex head unless it was stripped and re tapped to 3/8 bolt with a 9/16 hex head. Remove it.

Now remove the six (1/2 inch hex head) exposed mounting bolts under the cavitation plate. The lower unit may just slide right down, or it may take a little persuasion with a rubber mallet. The black rubber crankshaft seal will probably come off the top of the drive shaft as well as the steel collar. If they stay up inside the midleg, lower the engine and they should just fall out. If not, tap and jiggle a bit. When you go to replace the lower unit, the collar goes on with the groove facing up and the rubber seal goes on with the beveled end up.

Now you will see the water pump held on by four 7/16 hex head bolts. Remove them--they may be corroded in and will in all probability fight you. Be careful, they are 1/4 inch bolts and are easy to snap. If they are real tight, try rocking them with the wrench, increasing the turning out by about 1/16 - 1/8 turn each rock or twist. Sometimes this keeps them from snapping. Use a green Skotch brite pad to clean the drive shaft. If corrosion is heavy, you may need to use medium sandpaper. Lift off the pump housing and the impeller may or may not come with it. Do not lose the drive key--it is a special one and costs 8 bucks. Check the inside of the housing for heavy corrosion, deep pitting, deep gouges, or excessive wear. Replace if any of these are present. Light scratches and scuffing in the walls are normal and acceptable. (Clymers doesn't tell you this)

You will have previously purchased both an impeller and a gasket that goes under the stainless steel plate below the pump housing. Lift off this plate and the gasket will most likely be damaged. scrape off the old gasket and check the condition of the lower plate (housing). If the passage walls are corroded to the point where the new gasket will not seal them, they will bypass water from the outlet to the inlet and pump efficiency will be reduced. So: if they are well corroded, either repair them with a good epoxy or buy a new lower plate. (Clymers does not tell you this) This plate is kinda pricey because it carries the drive shaft seal, so it is worth a try to repair it if it needs it. (Or this)

Install the new gasket and stainless plate. Install the key and impeller on the shaft. Lubricate the pump housing with dish soap and push it down over the impeller with a counter-clockwise twisting motion. The impeller is larger than the pump housing and the turning sets the impeller blades in the correct direction as they enter the pump housing. (They don't tell you that either.) Now, put anti seize on the bolts so they come out easier next time and hand tighten. Tight--but you don't need to kill them. Too tight and you run the risk of warping the pump housing or stripping the bolt holes. The bolts are going into aluminum.

The lower unit is heavy so if you are not in good physical condition, have someone help to hold the unit while removing and re-installing. They can also help by turning the flywheel to line up the splines. Coat the splines with a light coating of anti-seize--too much is no good; it may pre-load the shaft when assembled in the crank. I also like to coat the whole shaft with anti-seize to help prevent corrosion. I rub it in with a paper towel to assure good adhesion. When re-installing the lower unit, you must feel around to get the drive shaft into the crankshaft splines. Be sure that the brass water tube is seated in the plastic collar on the pump. Then just put everything back together with anti-seize on all bolts. Remember to reconnect the shift rod.
 

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... i luv this place! frank could you please be more specific :) j/k
 

Frank Acampora

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Uh! Yeah! I could, but I wanted to keep the answer short, and my wife was bugging me to get off the computer.
 

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Thank you Frank! Very Good! Parts: impeller and gasket. I think I can, I think I can..........
 

eedwards

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Frank is there a certain brands of anti-seize and grease you like to use on these old Chrysler's?
 

Torontocity

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Hey Guys...I found a MC Sterndrive Ser. Manual in pdf form =19mb
if anyone wants i'm glad to share..But i don't know how..Where to put it?
 

gregmsr

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When installing the stainless steel plate, should I use gasket sealant applied?
 

gregmsr

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Ok it's done. Havn't cranked it up yet but it's back together. Toughest thing (other than ordering wrong parts, discovering I have a newer year lower unit, driving 140 miles round trip for correct parts) was getting the drive shaft splines aligned and back into the crankshaft. Everyone cross fingers that in a couple weeks I will fire it up and a good stream of water will appear!

Thanks again to Frank and everyone else for all your help!

(I can't help it! I know I worry too much but I used a little "Go-Jo" hand cleaner to lubricate the impeller to set it into the housing. Hope Go-Jo doesn't contain anything that will deteriorate the impeller! It was handy at the time.)
 

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I followed the instructions above and changed mine, first time, take your time, biggest problem will be making sure you keep your forward/Neu/reverse/. correctly lined up. Take your time, if I did it anybody can,

SeaForce
 

cjmike

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im replacing mine right now, great instructions, thks Frank. one thing, lining up forward neu and reverse, what should i watch for?
 

graven57

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I just posted my own question and saw this post. I have a 1990 Force 90HP
H0906X90C. I am changing the impeller. when taking it apart I didn't notice which way the fins on the impeller were bent over going into the metal round flange? Do I twist in a counter clockwise position for this application too??

thanks Graven57
 

Deimus

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soon as season ends was my next project!! thats gettin saved in the boat tech file for sure!!
 

transstar3

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do i have to change thermostat on the force 50 hp and where is that located? can i also know the part no. of the impeller for it. thanks for the help !!
 

stack08

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I was doing my impeller change today and these instructions were great...
 

boatzz

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you dont have to chanmge the t -stat although u can remove it and test it in a pot of water. should open around 150 .. its located in pod at #1 cylinder 3 screws under spring pressure.. impeller for my 1987 force model# 507x7b is quicksilver # 47f433065-2
 

wild n crazy

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I've read through the whole post, but doesnt see the instruction of how to put back the shift rod and the forward /Neutral/reverse position, it'is very tricky to do so on Force /120/ 1998 engine, and does have a tough time putting it back together , is there any one can show me a trick and the instruction how to do it, greatly appreciated . 1st time I didnt realized that it havent connected yet, and the shift rod widen the hole that the rod went through to the lower unit, would this will harm the engine? that hole is now about 1 inch wide ( it did cracked an broke it to 1 inch)
 

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These instructions will apply to all three and four cylinder Chrysler one piece lower units

Are the instructions for changing a 2 cylinder, 1971, 55HP, Chrysler Impeller the same? I noticed it said for 3 and 4 Cylinders. My lower unit has 3 pieces after the motor leg.
 

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Frank Is Awesome!!!!

He Got My 89 125 Running! He Didn"t Have To Lift A Wrench!

As I Said******** Frank Is Awesome!!*************:d
 

novice1234

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thanks for the info on this repair can you give advice on my 1986 force 85hp motor; there is no water coming from the motor when it is running and my overheat buzzer is whaling , so I assume the problem is the impeller but could it be thermostat as well and how do you replace thermostat? Will any dealer carry the gaskets and parts? Any info. is tremendously appreciated as I am new to this forum and returning to boating after health issue sidelined me for years.
 
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