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KennyKenCan · Jun 25, 2003

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More News... The County has declared that there will be no trespassing on this property for the next 10 years, to allow it to return to it's natural state. The County also contacted the Real Estate office and advised them that the "For Sale" signs must be removed before the end of the working day, today or they would suspend their Real Estate License in the County. My son came home from school and said that the Real Estate Agent was there removing the signs. We shall see what happens next. Kenny

LadyFish · Jun 25, 2003

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I wonder if a feasibility study was done by the EPA to determine the property wetlands? If so, can this be appealed by the town or anyone else? I wonder what affect assessing the property as wetlands does to the tax revenue for the township? Will they provide compensation to the township or landowners for loss of use of land as a result of the wetlands designation. I wonder what affect being located next to wetlands does to your property value and taxes? Just a few things I've been wondering. Like Yogi says "it ain't over 'till its over".

mellowyellow · Jun 25, 2003

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oh what a tangled web we weave....

I would make a firm offer on the lot nextdoor I think. would never be approved today, but it would put you in front of the line if it changed. you can always say "no thanks" in 3-5yrs. these gotta be big $ lots for so many to act so stupidly... a cool Million ea? keep it up buddy! M.Y.

KennyKenCan · Jun 25, 2003

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LadyFish, I see where you are comming from when you asked what being next to wetlands will do for my property value or taxes, but I really don't think it will have a great impact on the value, but the Town may try to seek revenge on me for not allowing these homes built, and kept from the tax rolls, in which case, my lawyer is ready with a big fat lawsuit against the Town! Kenny

KennyKenCan · Jun 25, 2003

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Mellow, The lots have been deemed "wetlands" so the property cannot be sold, and are now property of the County. Kenny

KennyKenCan · Jun 25, 2003

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Just note... How come after I do all the dirty work, now I have Lawyers calling me left and right? Is it because all they see are dollar signs? Don't they want to take a case to protect the everyday people of the world? I think its about greed! If they can't make anything off of you, they would rather you suffer than take a case. What a pothetic world we live in!

Kenny

mellowyellow · Jun 25, 2003

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what a long, strange trip it's been...

nundahls · Jun 25, 2003

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Here in MN just had a farmer covered some wetland on his property and has to pay 120,000 dollars and possible jail time. DNR @ work.....................

KennyKenCan · Jun 27, 2003

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Hi all, Just figured I'd give an update before going on vacation. They have completed replanting the lots with huge maples and oaks. Now they are planting wild grasses and all sorts or indiginus plants on the property. The County has posted very large "No Trespassing" signs around these properties, along with larger "Wetlands" signs. Have not seen any "For Sale" signs since the County ordered them removed, but I am sure someone is going to try it again. Now I just have to figure out how to keep the poison ivy from infiltrating my property, but I can deal with that! Well I'm off to Fire Island for 10 days, so you all have a good day and I'll post any changes when I return. Kenny

jim phillips · Jun 27, 2003

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Did the county get a permit to post the sign's ? You might be able to get the money back that you were fined. Just a thought

billyshears · Jun 27, 2003

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What about the "For Sale" signs? Was there a permit for those?

mellowyellow · Jun 27, 2003

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my advice... forget all this and just relax on the island! you got lucky buddy and have a feeling the fish are gonna be biting for you

BTW, me and my kids have discussed this sit. in depth. it's great lesson for us all! after all, the good guy is supposed to win right?

jim phillips · Jun 27, 2003

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I agree with mellow relax and enjoy some time off....Then go for the kill

roscoe · Jun 27, 2003

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I think if you need a lawyer, since they're so greedy after you have layed the ground work, then they should be willing to pay YOU a retainer fee. HAHA. Maybe you could set up an auction on ebay. They could bid on the opportunity to represent you. Have a good vacation.

KennyKenCan · Jul 8, 2003

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Hi all, 10 day's of vacation was just what the doctor must have ordered, it was wonderful. Came home to find that the County has erected a new fence, with barbed wire along the top, around said properties and they have finished planting all sorts of trees and other indiginous plants. The lot almost looks like it originally was! Recieved a letter from the Town, apologizing for the undo burden that I was put under during this ordeal. As far as the signs go, from what I have heard, was that Real Estate Agencies have a broad permit to post signs on properties that are for sale. As far as the County's posting of signs, the County can superceed a Town ordinance by rule of eminant domain. Hopefully this thing is now done, and I can now sleep well at night when it is raining knowing that my basement will not flood anymore. Kenny

KennyKenCan · Jul 9, 2003

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Hi all, Get this... Last night a neighbors kid (13 yrs old) was arrested by the Town for trespassing on the property next to me.

He was walking along the shoulder of the road, on the grassy portion, and the Town clown arrested him, yelling, "can't you read!".

I think the Town has now really overstepped it's authority. The kid was looking for a softball that had rolled into the high grass and was outside of the fenced area. The kid's parents have already called a lawyer! I can't believe that the Town can be so petty. Kenny

NathanY · Oct 28, 2004

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One year later, just checking on the status of this, have not heard in a long time and am just curious, really just nosey.

tomatolord · Oct 28, 2004

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my 2 cents are... I live on a small lake and we fight this type of stuff every day ... In a sense what they are telling you is true, the DENR relies on local resources to inform them of violations, however the DENR can and does come down on local govt for not enforcing the rules 1 - DENR - You need to get the local guy, his boss, his bosses boss. The information is on the states denr websites - go up the chain of command. The FEDERAL laws are very clear and believe me the federal guys always want something to do. Corps of engineers dont know about them, our state DENR guys are pretty strong, they said basically they do not want the Federal Denr guys stepping in 2 - contact the state fishery commission. I know that the water is owned by the state, so that any modifications of those waters have to be in compliance with certain laws. 3 - state land reclamaition - in many states if you fill in wetlands you can build wetlands somewhere else and it is a wash. Here is the ny http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dep/html/agreement.html#New Watershed and http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dep/html/ruleregs/finalrandr.html Is the entire rule set!! Keep at em!! The developers lie to us all the time, we show up, the denr people know us by name. I never listen to the developers, I just push and talk and email as many people as I can. Dont forget to also send the info to the local papers and newsreports, they love this type of stuff!! Tlord

steve n carol · Oct 28, 2004

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WOW!! what a story! It's 1:50 am. I can't get to sleep now! I statred to cheer when this thing turned around....wow! Tomato lord, what is the DENR?

KennyKenCan · Oct 29, 2004

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OMG, I thought this was ancient history!!! Well Nate, everything is just fine with these properties. No more fighting City Hall, no more flooding in my basement, and I haven't been arrested for anything since! (Thats a good thing!!) The properties are in the process of overgrowing everything in sight, but it will take generations before they resemble what they looked like before this disaster began! Thanks for asking for an update, and I don't wish this upon anyone. What a nightmare it was!

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