Suggestions for more speed?

[Sprky]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

I sometimes feel like I'm beating a dead horse but oh well, I would recommend these to anyone.Hydraulic tabs do not do what nauticus tabs do. When you fully retract a hydraulic tab, it is not going to help with any stability side to side like chine walking unless you constantly adjust them yourself, and at those speeds, thats not something you want to be doing.

The nauticus tabs adjust automatically and independently. Kinda like a shock absorber. The difference is that the tabs actuators are valved so there is no build up of pressure like a car shock. They relax when on full plane but react all the time to different pressures causing the boat to ride more level and more stabil in all conditions. They have different sizes based on hp,weight and size of boat. The Mobster tabs are made specifically for the high speed bass boats. They are garranteed to improve speed and eliminate chine walking among other things.

You are right,pontoons do not need trim tabs.

You forgot........ they are also good for 5 mph.

 

[chriscraft254]

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Actually they are garranteed for speed improvements from 2 to 4 mph at wot. I got 5mph improvement. But you don't have to listen to me, just check out the 5 top boating magazines that tested them and all had great reviews with improved speed. I think we have derailed this thread enough. You guys are more than capable of doing your own research.

 

[Sprky]

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You mean like this instance...............

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=194965

Tabs have a space to fill. Their intended job is to make a ill handling boat ride better and plane quicker, not increase speed............... I can find more if you like.

 

[KDAVID1]

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Well for my question about--it was more for information-to learn- I don't intend to add to my boat as it is set up very well (although I would like more speed--but that would be dealt with getting a new prop--and maybe a hyd. jack plate) 57.8 on GPS is not a bad speed from what I've been told for my boat.
I do agree with the setup info from Sprky.

 

[chriscraft254]

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KDAVID1 I agree with some of what sprky said also, just not about the tabs that he has no experience with. Boats in general gain speed with having the proper attitude and ride on the water. Porpoising, Chine walking, time to plane, prop selection, height of motor, set-back, and even prop torque and prop slip can all have effects on speed. Bass boats that go over 50 mph will have the motor set up higher than those that don't. The faster the boat, the higher the motor can be set up in most cases. There is no catch all for all boats. If you are looking for more great info on bassboats and proper set ups, this is a good place to checkout. http://www.bassboatcentral.com/

Well for my question about--it was more for information-to learn- I don't intend to add to my boat as it is set up very well (although I would like more speed--but that would be dealt with getting a new prop--and maybe a hyd. jack plate) 57.8 on GPS is not a bad speed from what I've been told for my boat.
I do agree with the setup info from Sprky.

 

[Faztbullet]

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The Winner hull is a copy of the Hydra-Sport VL475 as the late Joe Reeve's sold his molds to Winner before he passed. That hull will chine walk with or without tabs due to the pad design and all HS owners will tell you you have to learn to drive them(and they all run bow high!!!) The dealer I worked for was the nations largest HS dealer and we set up a ton of these.(set a sales record in 1984 with 476 boats sold in 12 months!!) The 10" plate is a bit much but will work. If you want more speed out of it and do not ski/tube and if can live with a ok hole shot, you will need a cut down 24pitch big ear chopper with prop shaft set 1" below bottom of boat. The 175 if same year as boat is a 2.4L (same as Xr4) and should push you into low to middle 60's if set up correctly. The VL475 hull with a 200hp(overrated) was a 73-77 mph ride

 

[KDAVID1]

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KDAVID1 I agree with some of what sprky said also, just not about the tabs that he has no experience with. Boats in general gain speed with having the proper attitude and ride on the water. Porpoising, Chine walking, time to plane, prop selection, height of motor, set-back, and even prop torque and prop slip can all have effects on speed. Bass boats that go over 50 mph will have the motor set up higher than those that don't. The faster the boat, the higher the motor can be set up in most cases. There is no catch all for all boats. If you are looking for more great info on bassboats and proper set ups, this is a good place to checkout. http://www.bassboatcentral.com/

I hear ya---I don't have anything against tabs either as I have not used them and my boat handles great. My main reason for not wanting to add is I like to keep my boat "clean" the less attached on the outside of the boat the better for me. It's kinda funny--I think we hijacked the original poster for this--that will teach me to ask a question:redface:

 

[Sprky]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

They do a great job for what they are intended for. Just don't buy them looking for a speed increase.

http://forum.chaparralboats.com/index.php?showtopic=11460

http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/smart-tabs-25537.html

 

[Bamaman1]

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Fatzbullet: With your experience with these hulls, I'll stand with your suggestions above.

Too bad the boat industry has bombed with the economy, and had to consolidate. Who ever thought Rangers and Triton bass boats (the competition) would be made side by side in Flippen, AR?

I go to a # of Bassmaster Elite Series tournaments every year--as an observer. I cannot remember seeing any of the above mentioned smart tabs on the pro's boats. In fact, three of the top fishermen stay at my lake house when they're in town.

Their biggest problems are keeping the weight of their tackle boxes down. One friend's boat lost 10 mph, and Mercury's factory mechanic said the horsepower was there. His boat manufacturer finally unloaded the boat, and found 450 lbs. of jelly worms in the front compartment--causing the speed loss. You wouldn't believe all the stuff tournament fishermen carry.

 

[KDAVID1]

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Fatzbullet: With your experience with these hulls, I'll stand with your suggestions above.

Too bad the boat industry has bombed with the economy, and had to consolidate. Who ever thought Rangers and Triton bass boats (the competition) would be made side by side in Flippen, AR?

I go to a # of Bassmaster Elite Series tournaments every year--as an observer. I cannot remember seeing any of the above mentioned smart tabs on the pro's boats. In fact, three of the top fishermen stay at my lake house when they're in town.

Their biggest problems are keeping the weight of their tackle boxes down. One friend's boat lost 10 mph, and Mercury's factory mechanic said the horsepower was there. His boat manufacturer finally unloaded the boat, and found 450 lbs. of jelly worms in the front compartment--causing the speed loss. You wouldn't believe all the stuff tournament fishermen carry.

Wish I had a sponsor so I could have 450lbs of spare lures

 

[chriscraft254]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

They do a great job for what they are intended for. Just don't buy them looking for a speed increase.

http://forum.chaparralboats.com/index.php?showtopic=11460

http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/smart-tabs-25537.html

Hey sparky, check this link! http://www.bbcboards.net/zerothread?id=730141

There is actually a bass boat with them installed and he gained speed! So that is two things that you said I would never see!?!? Just saying. I can post alot more if you like on other types of boats if your still not convinced. The ones you have posted had no finish to the story, these tabs have to be tuned in. If you are loosing speed, it is because they are the wrong size actuator or they are in the wrong adjustment position.

 

[QC]

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Once again, SmartTabs and trim tabs can improve top speed by allowing more weight shifted aft before porpoise. If porpoise is controlled with more weight aft then there is less wetted surface (bow higher). They are used on many many high speed v-hulls, and while they will help with planing speed that is not their only purpose. I am NOT a believer that SmartTabs are a magical fix though. If set up improperly or if the actuators are too "strong" then they will indeed DECREASE top speed. They do not improve top speed, they allow for higher top speeds by controlling porpoise. That may be a better way to look at it.

Sprky and chriscraft need to find a new topic to beat each other up with

 

[Sprky]

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You are doing people a disservice with the speed claim.

The claim is for cruise settings not wot.

If everyone could gain 5mph for $150 and two hours work, the inventor would be a friggin millionaire.

 

[QC]

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Who are you responding to Sprky?

 

[chriscraft254]

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You are doing people a disservice with the speed claim.

The claim is for cruise settings not wot.

If everyone could gain 5mph for $150 and two hours work, the inventor would be a friggin millionaire.

Since I am sure you were speaking to me, Qc has already given you a reason that these will increase your top speed. I gave you a link to a thread with a bass boat owner that also gained 2 to 3 mph at wot. I told you what my experience was and what I gained on "my" boat. Some days it was 4mph and other days it was 5. I'm sure that some others may gain less than I did.

You can argue this until were both blue in the face if you want, but it doesn't change the facts and the tests I ran. For what ever reason, these tabs will help your top end.

Why do you think a company would put in there "Guarantee" that it will improve your top speed by 2-4 mph? This is a legitamate question! Do you just think this company puts out false claims hoping people won't return them??? By the way, they install in about 45 minutes, not 2 hours.

You can choose to not agree with me, that is fine. But to basically say a companies claims and my claims are not true is basically calling us liers. Like I said, I speak from my experience and have asked you so many times if you have used these tabs? I'm assuming from the lack of response to that question, the answer is no.

Also to respond to your statement, I'm pretty sure that the inventor is probably a millionare by now. These have been around for quite a while now.

I'm done with the arguement before QC yells at me again. I agree to disagree

 

[QC]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

I'm done with the arguement before QC yells at me again. I agree to disagree

LOL, and thank you Ron Burgundy

 

[Sprky]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

Who are you responding to Sprky?

You

 

[Sprky]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

Bud, What industry do you work in?

How come the references I pulled up all show a loss on top end?

Here is what I read..........

" 15% Quicker Acceleration "
" 50% Less Bow Lift "
" 11% More Fuel Economy "
" 10% More Speed* "

" *Percentages based on cruising speeds 2500-3500 rpm. Results may vary, on boat and motor. "

Straight off the Brochure I had faxed to me, no claims to top end increase.

LOL...... this guy couldn't get more "press" if he paid for it.

 

[Sprky]

Re: Suggestions for more speed?

By the way, they install in about 45 minutes, not 2 hours.

Bud.......not everyone uses a hammer, nails and dry wall screws. lol

 

[Sprky]

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Last one.....gotta work.

Bud, I looked at the link. On a boat the porpoises wildly because of bottom problems, sure. If you can use the tabs to keep the bow from dancing and use the motor to propel the boat instead of holding the bow down I can see it. If the boat didn't have hull issues, the tabs would not cause an increase in top end speed.


Making a blanket statement that all boats will see a speed increase, not true.